++++ Start of thread 18772 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42501 (thread 18772) ---- From: Ed Bell Date: 1998-05-01 18:58:00 Subject: Up to my knees (LaMantian in size) GG's: Quick version: I've been edge jointing some boards. Long version: After some vacillating (and a near turn to the Dark Side), I picked up work on my bench again Wednesday night. It was raining, there wasn't anything on television worth killing brain cells over and I've been having the urge to build something lately. It's based on one of the plans in the back of The Workbench Book. I think it's the Kirby, but I'm not sure now. (Hey, I started on it a few months ago, ok?) I used 4x4's for the legs, and 2x4's for the stretchers, all through mortised. I finished the base of it a while back and have spent the time between now and then trying figure out how to put the top together. Because this is my bootstrap bench, earmarked for eventual use as a platform for some tailed metal-working apprentices, the top is going to be edge-jointed 2x6's, long side down. I'm using all pine because it won't matter much that it's soft, and I expect it to get pretty grungy once it finds its permanent home. Because the thing is 6' long, and because it is my first bench, I was having a real problem figuring out how to edge joint the boards. It's kind of hard to plane something that long when you don't have a bench, you know? So for a while I thought I'd run them through the mechanized round-bladed unit. But for a number of reasons--safety being foremost in my mind (I like having 10 fingers on two hands)--I knew that wasn't something to try by myself. And I was getting impatient waiting for someone to volunteer to help me. So I threw caution to the wind and decided to try to do it by hand. As I said, the base was finished, but I was uncertain it would be steady enough to stand up to the forces of a man-sized jointer. I figured that I could clamp the board I was going to joint to the front legs, and maybe clamp another to the back two legs to help prevent racking. Well, very much to my satisfaction and pleasure (and surprise), it turned out that I didn't even need to clamp a second board to it--the one I was jointing was enough to stabilize any movement. Now to select the arsenal. I've had a #7 (a good sized jointer, Jeff, but not the biggest) for a while. I bought it a couple of years ago, at the only garage sale that I've found to have any significant tools, when I thought my father would live to be ninety (into the next millennium, as it were). You see, he had his fathers #8 (the *real* man's jointer, Jeff), and while I knew it would be mine someday (he'd told me this regularly since I was just a little GIT), it didn't seem right to ask him for it early. That would have felt like I was rushing something that I really wasn't interested in having happen anyway, you know? Well it turned out it didn't need any rushing. Within a year of when I bought that #7, my father was lying lifeless in front of me and I'm thinking "Take the tools, and give me back my father. We weren't finished yet." So it seemed like a good time to haul the monster out of it's cozy little home in my grandfather's toolbox. Now you have to understand, this plane has held me in awe me for as long as I can remember. When I was a kid, I couldn't imagine someone using such a behemoth. After all, I could barely lift it. If my dad ever used it, I didn't witness it, which means it would have been last used just before the end of the Big War, when my grandfather retired as a Master Joiner from the Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners (I'm told he was a charter member of the Springfield, Il Local #16). So I wasn't real sure what it would take to get it tuned. First thing I did was flip the lever cap and pull out the blade and cap iron assembly. I turned the blade over to find a meticulously hollow ground, straight edge. So I guess Grandpa didn't much believe in crowned jointer blades, or even in easing the corners. I unscrewed the cap iron, rotated it away from the edge and removed it. Looking at the back of the blade I could see where the cap iron had sat, but otherwise it was pretty shiny. Not bad for 50+ years in a box. At this point I was itching to make some shavings with it, so I lapped both sides quickly, reassembled the blade and cap iron and dropped it into place. Reinstall the lever cap, and we're ready to go. Now the edges of the board were pretty rough. For the initial work I chose a #4 (medium sized smoother, Jeff). A #5 (jack plane, Jeff) would probably make more sense, but this smoother is so nice to use. After a few minutes working it over with that, were ready to make some long shavings. Well I can't describe how it felt to use that plane for the first time. It was adjusted a little rank at first, but I backed the adjuster off a bit and pretty soon I'm making some nice wispy curlys. I doubt my grandfather thought about it much; he was an eminently practical man, I'm told, and not one to romance about such things. Besides, he was struggling to make a living. During those last 11 years, through the Great Depression, keeping a steady job was enough to think about. But it sure feels sweet to me. There is a feeling of connection with a man I barely remember. After a while I finish up the first edge and move on to the next. Then on to the next. Next thing I know, I'm up to my knees in shavings. But these are not just ordinary shavings. No garbage can for them, they have a special sacrificial role to play. The wife of my best man (and friend) is a potter who does Raku firing, and she has agreed to make me a special piece to hold some of my father's ashes. It will be these shavings that she uses for that significant vessel. And you know, I think maybe I'll have to find a place in the shop to keep it. After all, that's where my dad was happiest. Ed -- Ed Bell | Trying to dig his heels in while Cincinnati Bell Information Systems | sliding down that slippery slope. Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ++++ End of thread 18772 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18773 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42502 (thread 18773) ---- From: Aaron Ionta Date: 1998-05-01 19:09:00 Subject: Who needs $100.0 anyways mini gloat - when home at lunch to check on Oreo the cat and stopped at several garage sales! the first three had crap but the fourth had promise! I picked up a Keuffel & Esser Co - Germany inking pen, and a handful of nibs for $1.00 a BoardMaster Universal Drafting Machine with 2 set of rules $5.00 and a drefting set - made in France - no other markings $20.00 in a nice wooden box 8.5 x 4.75 x 1.75 that contains a tray with Divider 6" with removable arm Inking arm for above Pencil Arm for above that takes wood wrapped leads 3 Leads for above , they are about 1/16 " thick and are lead/graphite wrapped with wood Divider 4" Compas 2.5" with removable arm Pencil arm for above (similar to the on listed under 6" divider Ink pen for above divider point for above And 2 other inking piints that I cannot figure out what they go with And an extension bar All of these tools are very well made and the points are triangular shaped and are /have been dipped in Chrome/?Zinc UNDER the tray was a 6.5 x 7 x 3.x 30/60 angle made of wood 1/16th inch thick and an interesting 6" x 1 1/8 in rule/protractor, the outside edges are marked for use as a protractor and the inside has a rule with the markings 10, 20 ...90 and the letters C H O at one end. the rulings are not centimeter or inch - fro the begining of 10 to the end of 20 is 1/16 in longer than an inch Thats it I think any ideas on an ID for the drafting set?? Aaron -- ================================================================= Aaron Ionta aaron.ionta@i... Application Support Engineer ajionta@m... (Home) Intranet Solutions Inc. (612)903-2032 (W) (888)688-8324 x2032 (W tollfree) ================================================================= ++++ End of thread 18773 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18774 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42504 (thread 18774) ---- From: Mike Weaver Date: 1998-05-01 19:19:00 Subject: Re: I butchered my bench...on purpose (warning, shill ;-) Patrick Olguin Odeen@c... writes: > ...laminating, stop your fussing. Go out and find yourself a big wide > slab of 8/4 yellow birch. It's nasty stuff to plane (It's the Klaus Von > Bulow of woods, owing to it's reversal of grain), but it's plenty heavy > and really hard. The bottom line is, get a big-ass hunk of wood. Mine > was 15" wide, 8' long, and cost me about $70. If anyone is one the east coast, oh, near Frederick, MD, you might want to give Ted Scott a shout . This Galoot has some reclaimed old growth white oak floor joists that would be just the ticket... I bought a few a while ago, and they are nice... There will be a couple-a-three nots, and some surface checking, but when the planks are 3.5"x11"x11' long, two of them will make a great bench. (Even if you get Ted to use his 16" tailed jointah to flatten one face, you'd end up with a top that's at least 2.5" thick finished!) Had I known about this wood *before* I bought the maple I used, I might have just slapped two planks together, all Paddy-like. I am using two strips for the back of the bench, some for endcaps, and the tai vise parts will be made from this old growth white oak. I'll post pictures when I get some taken, etc (the top is still in 2 pieces, and the vise isn't built yet). I have no financial connection to Ted (other than I'm about to buy a somewhat large batch of this myself, and call a Woodmizer), yada, yada. I'm just trying to alert the other area galoots to some nice wood. Later, -Mike ----------------- Michael P. Weaver Email: mikew@u... Database Program Administrator Phone: (410) 455-6863 Center for Health Program Development and Management, UMBC, Baltimore,MD 21250 Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are mine, and not my employer's. ++++ End of thread 18774 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18775 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42506 (thread 18775) ---- From: Aaron Ionta Date: 1998-05-01 19:54:00 Subject: PS Was dont need no $100 the protractor rule says REVES & SONS in a circle - with ONE SHILLING inside the circle -- ================================================================= Aaron Ionta aaron.ionta@i... Application Support Engineer ajionta@m... (Home) Intranet Solutions Inc. (612)903-2032 (W) (888)688-8324 x2032 (W tollfree) ================================================================= ++++ End of thread 18775 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18776 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42512 (thread 18776) ---- From: Brent D. Beach Date: 1998-05-01 20:40:00 Subject: Stanley Parts I got a plane, a #5-1/2C at the auction last night ($12.50 - there was no one else there interested in old tools, so was bidding against the junk dealers) that appears to have some replacement parts. Perhaps everyone else noticed this! The lever cap has a cast 2 1/4 on the underside. It looks like a Stanley lever cap, but the spring metal is blued. The frog has cast into the underside 5 1/2. Never seen this on a frog before. Anyone seen these marks on castings? Brent Brent Beach, Victoria, BC, CA ---- Start of Message 42514 (thread 18776) ---- From: Jim Cook Date: 1998-05-01 17:01:00 Subject: RE: Stanley Parts >I got a plane, a #5-1/2C at the auction last night ($12.50 - there >was no one else there interested in old tools, so was bidding >against the junk dealers) that appears to have some replacement >parts. Perhaps everyone else noticed this! > >The lever cap has a cast 2 1/4 on the underside. It looks like a >Stanley lever cap, but the spring metal is blued. > >The frog has cast into the underside 5 1/2. Never seen this on >a frog before. > >Anyone seen these marks on castings? Brent, This should be a gloat, especially if this is Canadian $. 2-1/4" is the size of the cutter on a 5-1/2, and if I'm not mistaken, the 5-1/2 is the only bench plane using this size, so both lever cap and frog are often stamped this way. Them's the right parts. Jim (who can envy a gloat with the best of them) ---- Start of Message 42583 (thread 18776) ---- From: Brent D. Beach Date: 1998-05-03 00:28:00 Subject: Re: Stanley Parts On Fri, 01 May, Jim Cook wrote: >>I got a plane, a #5-1/2C at the auction last night ($12.50 - there > >This should be a gloat, especially if this is Canadian $. Although this was a type 12, it is not a gloat. This is the very first time I have seen a corrugated plane in which the corrugations were not uniform: here there are full depth at the toe and heel, but almost non-existant at the mouth. Sure enough, the plane is concave by about the standard corrugation depth. This means lapping in a big way. I plan on getting a long AlO 50 grit belt, gluing it to a 2x8, lapping by working along the full 5 or 6 feet. No sense trying to remove this much error on 12" on a glass plate. OR SHOULD I? The result will not really have any corrugations left. However, right now it is unsuable, which probably explains its excellent condition. No, all in all, not a gloat. However, the type 9 #4 for $10 might be. Or the crispy Sargent VBM #6 and MF #09 for $20? Naw, the gloat is the type 5 #8C for $22.50. Brent Brent Beach, Victoria, BC, CA ---- Start of Message 42610 (thread 18776) ---- From: Don Berry Date: 1998-05-04 00:32:00 Subject: Re: Stanley Parts Brent Beach got a #5 1/2C cheap, but... > Sure enough, the plane is concave by about the standard > corrugation depth. >OR SHOULD I? That's an awful lot of cast iron to remove just to get maximum mileage out of a gloat, IMO. Other options: keep it as a non-user ;) or sell it and buy more a suitable user, perhaps less pristine, with the same cash. I know, I know: the thrill of the hunt (and stubborn pride) makes us all especially fond of those pieces we snagged at a bargain. Still, I've poured an awful lot of good elbow grease and WD-40 down the drain on basketcase fixer-uppers that never really made it as awesome users. Maybe the idea of long hours of lapping appeals to you, or maybe not. I suppose as long as you think of it as a labor of love, you can justify it. Cheers, Don ---- Start of Message 42613 (thread 18776) ---- From: Chris Winter Date: 1998-05-04 02:53:00 Subject: Re: Stanley Parts At 08:32 PM 5/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >I know, I know: the thrill of the hunt (and stubborn pride) makes us all >especially fond of those pieces we snagged at a bargain. Still, I've >poured an awful lot of good elbow grease and WD-40 down the drain on >basketcase fixer-uppers that never really made it as awesome users. Agreed - and sometimes just the opposite is the case. I have some flea market finds such as a screwed and plated wooden spokeshave that I got for 1/4 the price of one from a tool shop and it WAY outperforms the later. Isn't it amazing how certain tools just work better! I have a type 11 #3 that I got at Brimfield a few years ago for $15 that needed a bit of tlc. It is simply the best smoother I've used next to an infill. And conversely how other tools just seem to disappoint. The fact that some tools survived in such good shape may tell a tale of why some tools of marginal usability in a given production run remained in little used shape. Enjoy the day. Chris Winter Let's Talk Business Network, Inc. http://www.ltbn.com "Your Entrepreneurial Support Community" Provide timeless "Road to Success" audio content free to your web site visitors. Visit http://www.LTBN.com/affiliate.htm ++++ End of thread 18776 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18777 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42513 (thread 18777) ---- From: Don Groves Date: 1998-05-01 20:49:00 Subject: Gloat, or not? Hello on the Porch, This noon, while returning home from my Friday AM gig of delivering Meals-On-Wheels to home-bound seniors, I drove buy a sign that said 'Barn Sale'. About 100 yards later my brain kicked in and said, "Stop you idiot!". I turned around and drove up the drive to the barn. I asked the guy sitting at the door if he had any woodworking tools. He pointed to a bench containing only a couple of old tailed drills. I shrugged and turned to leave but then he said he had an old drill that he had forgotten to put out. Turned out to be a Millers Falls #12 breast drill. I asked him how much and he said $8.00, so now it's sitting on my workbench. It's definitely not crispy, but it's not total junk either. Most of the original finish remains. The crank arm is connected by a couple of short hex head bolts and someone has braised it into place. The crank arm is also twisted and bent a little but I think it can be straightened once I can get it off. The gears all appear to be in good shape. Both wooden handles are gone. The front handle is now a piece of broom stick that has been epoxied on. The crank handle is just a steel sleeve bolted on, probably the sleeve that the original handle was mounted to. The thing works, although it's sort of jerky, should work fine once it's cleaned up and lubricated and I can turn new handles. So, porch dwellers, is this worth gloating over or am I just out eight bucks? Also, any suggestions on how to go about reconditioning this thing will be very welcome. Don Groves Apprentice Galoot ++++ End of thread 18777 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18778 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42515 (thread 18778) ---- From: Steven Johnson (MSR) Date: 1998-05-01 21:20:00 Subject: RE: Treadle lathes (was: Barter gloat) I have seen a number of email flurries over the past months wanting information on building a treadle lathe. There are plans (sources mentioned before - Roy's book, "Boys Book of Things to Make and Do", and others I forget). The lathe is a very simple machine in its most basic form - humans were making them long before Jesus Christ lived, so I think we all can do it if we really try! Here is a basic list of ingredients: 1. Stand -cast iron or wood, can even be your current workbench or Workmate if you desire. For comfort make the lathe about waist high for spindle turning, chest high for bowl (faceplate) turning. 2. Ways (or bed) - again, cast iron or wood. Size isn't that important here, the essential bit is having the top surface completely planar (so the tailstock center can line up with the headstock center). 3. Tailstock. Again, can be made from cast iron or wood. At its most basic, just a hole through a block of wood that can be mounted on the ways is all you need. More elaborate would be some rack and pinion or wedge device for adjusting the tailstock center in and out, live center, cam adjustment for aligning center to headstock center, etc. 4. Toolrest. Simple flat stock with ability to adjust for height, and in/out. I'd suggest metal here because this part gets some wear. Bar stock would be suitable and cheap. 5. Drive train. Pole lathe for reciprocating action, flywheel for constant rotary action. I'd suggest flywheel, and this is probably the hardest part to make or find (maybe tied with the headstock). Flywheel weight needs to be on the outside rim as much as possible. Maybe a car wheel could be used?? Leather or nylon belting can be used to transmit power to the headstock pulleys. 6. Headstock. Here is where I would spend the money to buy a mandrel of some type, as sold in Woodcraft catalog and other places. Ball bearings are nice, but not required. Go hard core and hollow out a chunk of lignum vitae if you're still one of the galoot types that walks hunched over; otherwise, putting your money into metal at this point will pay off. If you're serious about this lathe being a long-term user, use a standard morse taper in the headstock to accept many types of centers. Outside of this, use a standard thread pitch like 1-1/4x8 to accept various faceplates. That's it! Put it all together and you have yourself a lathe! Steve ++++ End of thread 18778 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18779 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42516 (thread 18779) ---- From: Dave Wolverton Date: 1998-05-01 21:28:00 Subject: Treadle lathe talk I find it interesting that (at least in what he has written and what others have written about him) Michael Dunbar eschews power tools for his Windsor chairmaking, yet uses an electron-powered lathe for turning. His justification for using handtools (such as bowsaws in place of a bandsaw) is that he does the work to feed his family, but he can do the work just as fast by hand, its not just that he's trying to "be" a 19th century woodworker. That would imply that in the case of turning, he feels he can get the same results in less time with the electric lathe. I guess I find that believeable. So those of us interested in treadle lathes are not being very practical, eh? dave -- Dave Wolverton Lucent Technologies, Holmdel, NJ Email: dwolverton@l... Phone: (732) 949-1125 ---- Start of Message 42517 (thread 18779) ---- From: Steven Johnson (MSR) Date: 1998-05-01 21:37:00 Subject: RE: Treadle lathe talk Dave writes: So those of us interested in treadle lathes are not being very practical, eh? I'm not sure what Michael Dunbar's reasons are for using power, but I can say the treadle lathe does have its advantages. For example, in thread cutting, having the ability to slow or speed the revolutions is very helpful. In much ornamental turning work, especially when indexing a pattern around a workpiece, the headstock is fixed anyway so all you need to "treadle" is the revolving cutterhead held in the sliderest - this is pretty easy work (although most professional ornamental turners have indeed motorized even this bit). And, of course, in power outages or in areas where power isn't available you always have the option of continuing to work (provided you placed your lathe near a natural light source). Steve ---- Start of Message 42521 (thread 18779) ---- From: Eddie Sirotich Date: 1998-05-01 22:14:00 Subject: RE: Treadle lathe talk Steven writes: > For > example, in thread cutting, having the ability to slow or speed the > revolutions is very helpful. How exactly does one cut threads on treadle (or any wood) lathe? I always thought that there has to be a mechanism that sinchronizes movement of the chisel that cuts thread with the varying speed of revolving spindle. I don't see such gizmos on treadle lathes, so are threads cut freehand? Eddie ---------------------------------------- Adria Tools - High Quality Dovetail Saws http://www.woodworking.com/adria/ ---- Start of Message 42539 (thread 18779) ---- From: Steven Johnson (MSR) Date: 1998-05-02 01:07:00 Subject: RE: Treadle lathe talk How exactly does one cut threads on treadle (or any wood) lathe? I always thought that there has to be a mechanism that sinchronizes movement of the chisel that cuts thread with the varying speed of revolving spindle. I don't see such gizmos on treadle lathes, so are threads cut freehand? Eddie - Yes. ---- Start of Message 42591 (thread 18779) ---- From: Kenneth Watkins Date: 1998-05-03 10:42:00 Subject: RE: Treadle lathe talk On Fri, 1 May 1998, Eddie Sirotich wrote: > > How exactly does one cut threads on treadle (or any wood) lathe? I > always thought that there has to be a mechanism that sinchronizes > movement of the chisel that cuts thread with the varying speed of > revolving spindle. I don't see such gizmos on treadle lathes, so are > threads cut freehand? > You might check out an article by Richard Starr in the September/October issue of FWW, (No. 60, 1986) "Chasing Large Wooden Threads, an alternative to tap and die". It's freehand work, but the tool is a scraper that looks like a thread gage on the end of a chisel. You've just got to get the left to right freehand rate in sync with the rotation of your lathe and you've got threads. I've never tried it. As a matter of fact, the stumbling block for me has been stopping to make the tools required to do it. If you can make a saw though (and I here you can) these tools are probably child's play. I've got dibs on any unwanted prototypes. :) Kenneth ---- Start of Message 42648 (thread 18779) ---- From: Esther Heller Date: 1998-05-04 12:59:00 Subject: Re: Treadle lathe talk Dave said: > > I find it interesting that (at least in what he has written and > what others have written about him) Michael Dunbar eschews power > tools for his Windsor chairmaking, yet uses an electron-powered > lathe for turning. His justification for using handtools (such > as bowsaws in place of a bandsaw) is that he does the work to > feed his family, but he can do the work just as fast by hand, its > not just that he's trying to "be" a 19th century woodworker. That > would imply that in the case of turning, he feels he can get the > same results in less time with the electric lathe. I guess I > find that believeable. So those of us interested in treadle > lathes are not being very practical, eh? > Well I haven't got through all the mail yet, and someone else may have addressed it, but look for a trip report on building a bow lathe sort of like the one in one of Roy's books, tomorrow. Teacher was Don Weber in Ernie Conover's shop. Don claims to do a chair leg in 4 1/2 minutes, but he has been practicing for a while... I think the point with Mike was a cheap lathe will work and there wasn't much info about things like treadle lathes when he was setting up. Also there are a _lot_ of turnings in his chairs. Last year when I asked, he can do a chair in 10 hours, but 3 of those hours are turnings. Compare to cutting out a seat with a bowsaw in 5 minutes, and bandsaw is far more expensive and not a whole lot faster. But you are right, everything else is quicker and easier with handtools unless you are Thos. Moser doing 5-axis CNC for your chair seats. And the volume you need for _that_ isn't woodworking any more, it's basic manufacturing. Esther eoh@k... ---- Start of Message 42662 (thread 18779) ---- From: Eddie Sirotich Date: 1998-05-04 14:18:00 Subject: RE: Treadle lathe talk Kenneth writes: >You might check out an article by Richard Starr in the September/October >issue of FWW, (No. 60, 1986) "Chasing Large Wooden Threads, an alternative >to tap and die". It's freehand work, but the tool is a scraper that looks >like a thread gage on the end of a chisel. You've just got to get the left >to right freehand rate in sync with the rotation of your lathe and you've >got threads. I've never tried it. As a matter of fact, the stumbling block >for me has been stopping to make the tools required to do it. If you can >make a saw though (and I here you can) these tools are probably child's >play. I've got dibs on any unwanted prototypes. :) So that is how it's done, it sounds quite simple and would be fun to try it. As for new tool making, I'll have to skip this opportunity because for next few months I'll be doing bunk beds and completing all those projects started who knows when. Yep, the new baby is coming and the time is running out! Eddie Bunk beds R us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adria Tools - High Quality Hand Tools http://www.woodworking.com/adria ++++ End of thread 18779 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18780 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42523 (thread 18780) ---- From: Bob Brode Date: 1998-05-01 22:41:00 Subject: H&R arcs [was RE: Use of Wood Molding Plane] Curt Flowers: > Blades of 'rounds' (and hollows, for that matter) are 1/6 of a circle. Most of the later nineteenth century British H&Rs that I've measured depart from this conventional formula for sizes above about 1". The radii are considerably bigger than the width of cut, i.e. they're less than 1/6 of a circle. Considerably less for the biggest sizes. On the other hand, the few large American H&Rs I've got do seem to follow the 1/6 rule. Bob Brode ++++ End of thread 18780 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18781 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42527 (thread 18781) ---- From: rwolfe Date: 1998-05-01 19:43:00 Subject: Chief Ogontz Galoots, Someone asked a while ago about a wooden plane they found marked "Ogontz", a line of planes made by the Sandusky Tool Company. I was flipping through the latest edition to my still too small library (Ken Roberts' "Wooden Planes in 19th Century America"--thanks, Gary!) when I happened upon a reference to Ogontz planes. It is uncertain whether Ogontz planes were a line of second quality planes put out by Sandusky or whether it was a sales "gimmick". Roberts states, however, that many Ogontz planes are of equal or better quality than other surviving Sandusky planes. He believes Ogontz tools were marked starting in the 1870's as a marketing technique. These planes were named after Ogontz, an Indian chief of a tribe of Ottawas who lived in Sandusky, Ohio. Buried in a footnote is this other interesting little tidbit of history: Ogontz was a "mentor" to Jay Cooke, who financed the Union side of the Civil War, when Cooke was a boy at Sandusky. Cooke thought so much of Chief Ogontz that he named his estate at Philadelphia OGONTZ. Neat stuff! ++++ End of thread 18781 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18782 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42528 (thread 18782) ---- From: Doug Dawson Date: 1998-05-01 23:47:00 Subject: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? Anybody ever build any medieval torture machines or instruments? Out of wood and with ( mostly ) hand tools, of course. Anybody know of any sources for plans for this stuff? Actually, come to think of it, does any of this stuff ever show up in the used old-tool market? Patrick? Doug Dawson dawson@p... ---- Start of Message 42532 (thread 18782) ---- From: Ted Scott Date: 1998-05-01 19:59:00 Subject: Re: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? On 1 May 98 at 23:47, Doug Dawson wrote: > Actually, come to think of it, does any of this stuff ever show > up in the used old-tool market? Patrick? Well, I've seen thumb cuffs and beheading axes in one English oldtool auction. -Ted Wondering if the rack was made by the Cooper or the Joyner. ---- Start of Message 42542 (thread 18782) ---- From: FrankSronce Date: 1998-05-02 02:07:00 Subject: Re: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? Doug Dawson wrote: > Anybody ever build any medieval torture machines or instruments? > Out of wood and with ( mostly ) hand tools, of course. > > Anybody know of any sources for plans for this stuff? snippage> Doug, Don't do it. I know I have felt the same way at times, but no matter what your SWMBO has done, this is not the way to handle the problem. Unless she tried to use your NIB Stanley #1 to make potato slices or wasted your tool money on something less important like rent or food - that would be a different situation.. Frank (Fort Worth Armadillo Works) ---- Start of Message 42544 (thread 18782) ---- From: Ed Bell Date: 1998-05-02 02:29:00 Subject: Re: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? Ted Scott wrote: > > On 1 May 98 at 23:47, Doug Dawson wrote: > > Actually, come to think of it, does any of this stuff ever show > > up in the used old-tool market? Patrick? > > Well, I've seen thumb cuffs and beheading axes in one English oldtool > auction. Did they have hanging holes? Ed -- Ed Bell | Trying to dig his heels in while Cincinnati Bell Information Systems | sliding down that slippery slope. Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ---- Start of Message 42605 (thread 18782) ---- From: Steve Noe Date: 1998-05-04 00:11:00 Subject: Re: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? Doug, I know it's the end of the semester, and all the Gnurrs come from the woodwork out to ask for extra credit to make up for the regular work they didn't do during the semester - but DON'T. If you must reduce the surplus population, please send the cadavers to me - collect. Steve Noe, in Indianapolis (who has to remember this is OldTools, not BioLab, so frogs are metal, and do NOT have a gastrocnemius) snoe749@i... ---- Start of Message 42608 (thread 18782) ---- From: Doug Dawson Date: 1998-05-04 00:23:00 Subject: Re: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? Earlier Frank wrote, > Doug Dawson wrote: > > Anybody ever build any medieval torture machines or instruments? > > Out of wood and with ( mostly ) hand tools, of course. > > > > Anybody know of any sources for plans for this stuff? > snippage> > Don't do it. I know I have felt the same way at times, but > no matter what your SWMBO has done, this is not the > way to handle the problem. Unless she tried to use your > NIB Stanley #1 to make potato slices or wasted your tool > money on something less important like rent or food - that > would be a different situation.. No, I would never hurt SWMBO. I was thinking more along the lines of a demonstration project for the neighbours. COME ON, ALL YOU AXE COLLECTORS!!!!! Doug Dawson dawson@p... ---- Start of Message 42609 (thread 18782) ---- From: Doug Dawson Date: 1998-05-04 00:25:00 Subject: Re: Medieval Torture Machines and Instruments? Earlier Ed wrote, > Ted Scott wrote: > > On 1 May 98 at 23:47, Doug Dawson wrote: > > > Actually, come to think of it, does any of this stuff ever show > > > up in the used old-tool market? Patrick? > > Well, I've seen thumb cuffs and beheading axes in one English oldtool > > auction. > Did they have hanging holes? Isn't that the general idea? Doug Dawson dawson@p... ++++ End of thread 18782 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18783 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42531 (thread 18783) ---- From: FrankSronce Date: 1998-05-02 00:30:00 Subject: Going to Canton? Texas Galoots (others ignore) If any of the Texas Galoots are going to Canton tomorrow, please e-mail me directly. I have a favor to ask. Frank (who went there yesterday, and spent my grand kids' inheritance) ++++ End of thread 18783 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18784 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42537 (thread 18784) ---- From: Rafael Sanchez Date: 1998-05-02 00:53:00 Subject: The voices within II so i'm sitting here late on a friday and still working - on one of those electronic daemons that Master Leach told his previous masters to KHA (you figure it out), yet he still uses to fill my requests. i'm mostly a lurker here even though i've posted a bio. so i read the posts about oldtools in the genes and geek galoots and it sets me to wondering. then i remember a thread that the aforementioned Patrick started about the voices within. i don't have any family history of woodworking. both of my parents came from farming backgrounds but none of that was ever passed on to us as they took manufacturing jobs. it was a real eye opener to me when i took my parents to Homestead Heritage in Waco, TX and being amazed at what my dad could teach me about the farm tools they had there. when we went back home, i showed my dad the handtools i had (small arsenal) and what could be accomplished with them. he was surprised that i actually could do some of the things i could. of course, he probably still remembers trying to teach me basic mechanics and me not wanting anything to do with it because it would get my hand dirty. so i'm rambling.... some folks on this email list have woodworking in their family history. some don't. that's cool - we all still got here and we decided hand tools would be a major part of that. or collecting them would. but i've rambled more... why do i choose woodworking? and why with handtools? the voices within... i don't know... all i can say is that it calms me to do so. relaxes me like nothing else does. not running (see my bio)... not anything else i've attempted. it's just a voice within. ++++ End of thread 18784 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18785 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42545 (thread 18785) ---- From: SANFORD MOSS Date: 1998-05-02 02:29:00 Subject: Auction Practices Just got back from a little Rhode Island tool auction, and while sitting with Paul Honore a little action took place that was new to us. The auctioneer raised up a box lot of beater molding planes and announced, "Indian Bidding". He started at $60 and came _down_ in $5 increments until he got a bid at $40 --"Sold". Is this a practice anywhere in galootdom? We found it kinda adds a poker-like element to the auction, and sure stifles bidding wars! Sandy (who finally got to sit _behind_ MofA at an auction) ++++ End of thread 18785 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18786 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42546 (thread 18786) ---- From: FrankSronce Date: 1998-05-02 03:24:00 Subject: THE TOOL - long Executive summary: Bought THE PLANE (and some other stuff) Long version: Doesn't everyone have one tool which they consider "THE TOOL"? It may be a tool you would use often. It may be a tool you would NEVER use. But in any case, it would be THE TOOL. In my case, it is one I first saw in Roger Smith's Vol I (page 67). It is a Bailey Tool Company corrugated Defiance block plane. But in this case, the corrugations are not straight. Instead they form the words "Bailey Tool Comp". When I first got Smith's book years ago and came across this plane, I showed the picture to my SWMBO and told her it was THE PLANE. I'll admit there have been others over the years which have caused me to lust for them temporarily, but they were never THE PLANE. Since I first saw that picture, I had only seen one of these in person - owned by a c*ll*ct*r who was not interested in selling. Until yesterday!! I took the day off Thursday and went to the Canton Trade Days (a Texas flea market covering approx. 150 acres). I had picked up a couple of items (craftsman-made tool chest, Jennings miter box with Jennings saw, and a Union X 6C) and was just wandering around talking to the few tool vendors there when I came accross THE booth. I was looking at some tools a gent had sitting on a table - just a few molding planes and a couple of transitionals. I didn't see anything of interest, but the sellor stepped up and says to be sure to look on the other side of the van; I have another table there. As I was looking over his table of Stanley # 3s, 4s, 5s, etc., he just happened to mention he did have one a little more unusual. Out of his glove compartment he pulled THE PLANE. It was in beautiful shape, cap not cracked, etc. And I had to have it. My wife looked at it and reminded me that it was THE TOOL. (We had even been talking about it earlier in the day when we saw a similar Defiance plane - but with a smooth bottom.) The blade on THE PLANE is not the original Defiance blade with the battleaxe trademark, and the knob is a replacement, but it was THE TOOL. Now it is MY TOOL. Sorry to use so much bandwidth, but I had to speak about this to someone who would understand. Surely on this porch, there are others who have their own ideas about what THE PLANE is. Surely with Paddy it is some type of Jack? And for Larry a Bed Rock #602C? Fess up, guys, what is it? Frank (scouring the dump for a battleaxe blade) ---- Start of Message 42549 (thread 18786) ---- From: Thomas E. McCluskey Date: 1998-05-02 11:39:00 Subject: Re: THE TOOL - long Frank & GGs The TOOL for me is a Stanley #55. Don't ask why because I don't know. Most folks seem to either love them or hate them. Maybe it was the old Stanley lit. "Planing mill in a box." Maybe it was the fact that it has lots of intricate parts and seemingly 100s of blades. Don't know but I got one. (Thanks, Bill Ghio.) Not a collectible, but in good user shape. Got all but one of first set of blades and all but eleven of the optional set. Paid way more than I usually do for a tool but got way more also. Fortunately, I don't have to rationalize liking this tool to this group. Tom - Member in good standing of the Ancient and Honorable order of Bottomfeeders (AHOB). (By permission) On Fri, 01 May 1998 22:24:26 -0500 FrankSronce sroncef@f... writes: >Executive summary: Bought THE PLANE (and some other stuff) ---- Start of Message 42550 (thread 18786) ---- From: Larry Williams Date: 1998-05-02 12:07:00 Subject: Re: THE TOOL - long FrankSronce wrote: > >Doesn't everyone have one tool which they consider "THE TOOL"? >..........But in any case, it would be THE TOOL. In my >case, it is one I first saw in Roger Smith's Vol I (page 67). It is a >Bailey >Tool Company corrugated Defiance block plane. But in this case, the >corrugations are not straight. Instead they form the words "Bailey >Tool Comp". >Now it is MY TOOL. >............Surely on this porch, there are >others who have their own ideas about what THE PLANE is. >Fess up, guys, what is it? There's one that my daughter might even be traded for and it has the name Thomas Granford stamped in the toe. As far as I know, there's only one of these suckers that survives and I'm sure it's beyond my budget. But there is another I've wanted: LN's version of the Stanley #164. I've been on Tom's waiting list since he first announced they would accept orders and talked to him on the phone about it when I got one of the first #2s he made. This week I got a phone call asking for an updated credit card expiration date. Seems they're shipping their first batch within a very few days. It isn't wood, but I'm still gonna get one. I don't care what anyone says about the 164, I have a specific use for it and I know how great a plane LN's #62 is. Larry Williams ---- Start of Message 42578 (thread 18786) ---- From: sbmarcus Date: 1998-05-02 22:36:00 Subject: Re: THE TOOL - long Thought long and hard. Can't narrow it down to one. Have three THE TOOLS, or, more accurately two THE PLANES and one THE SET OF CARVING TOOLS. I think that I've mentioned all of these in earlier posts. THE PLANE #1- Stanley 92, English model that I've owned and used since the late 50s. Known as Silverado and "desert island plane". I use this thing for more different jobs than any other tools I own. I once, on a dare, made an elaborate multi-story birdhouse out of poplar using nothing but Silverado and a dozuki saw. Took the blade out and used it as a chisel to cut mortises, and tenon shoulders; turned bars by chucking the plane in a vise and rotating the sticks into the blade at a skew angle, etc. Even made a dovetailed tray for the avian waste. I've even used it to scale fish. "Some Plane!" as Charlotte might have said. THE PLANE #2- 9" ebony coffin shaped smoother. Seems to weigh about 80 pounds. Throat just the right size to do either fine work or quick stock removal. Beautiful as a thoroughbred to look at, and always warm to the touch, which is no small thing on Maine winter mornings. Years ago I put the word out to all the local pickers and tool dealers that I was looking for a hum-dinger of an exotic-wood smoothing plane to replace my artful lignum vitae plane that went AWOL on a house restoration job site. I began to feel like a Pasha as supplicants kept arriving at my shop door bearing specimens on velvet cushions. All were close contenders, but none packed quite the punch I was looking for. After about two years of this I despaired of every finding what I wanted, when one day a dealer who I did restoration work for arrived with a very valuable piece of furniture that required some complicated inlay repair. As is the way with dealer folk he was leaving in two days and HAD to have the work done by then. "Impossible", I said, "I'd have to pull an all-nighter and a half to finish the thing!" "I'll pay you twice your usual fee." he responded, and, as I was about to brush him off "and I'll give you this." Saying which, he pulled the ebony smoother out of a drawer in the piece. He knew he had me, and I was at work before he was out the door. "By the way" he said over his shoulder as he was leaving, "I just bought this thing from Ralph Josephson. It was in his barn. Said that it belonged to his granddad, a shipwright." Ralph Josephson was a cattle dealer who's barn was about a 1/4 of a mile down the road from me. THE SET OF CARVING TOOLS- Basic set of 16 pre-WWI Addis carving tools that was brought me by another dealer who was wanting to rope me into a very elaborate carving project that required, among other things, that three men sat at benches for three days with blunted 12d common nails stippling the background of 26' of floriate and animal carved white oak frieze for an English Victorian banquet table. The sound of it almost drove us all crazy; the boredom of repeating the same pattern every foot or so was trying in the extreme, but I've never regretted it. Bruce ++++ End of thread 18786 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18787 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42548 (thread 18787) ---- From: Matt Prusik Date: 1998-05-02 04:18:00 Subject: Thanks from the Good Guys My Brothers & Sisters: Wanted to take a moment and thank all of you publically for your thanks WRT my advising Patrick Leach as to his legal bug tussle with The Stanley Works. Speaking for Pat, we're both glad it's over and B&G remains intact relatively unscathed. FWIW, I've been dog busy with ANOTHER big time litigation at the same time as Pat's; so I've been List absent. Hoping that that case is now put to bed, I should be around more often. While fortune does favor the bold, the best laid plans of mice and me do go astray, so keep an eye out for me around here and don't hesitate to give a ping and see if I'm still (virtually) alive. My sincere thanks to all once again. Matt ++++ End of thread 18787 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18788 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42551 (thread 18788) ---- From: Lodley Date: 1998-05-02 09:48:00 Subject: Off-Site Woodworking Although I have only a barely adequate bench, it serves my puposes, and like most is not easily portable. I have been asked to do some demonstration work at a church event where various hobbies would be shown. It does not have to involve much, but I am not sure how to set up for it. I once saw a demonstration at a tool meet of a No. 55 in action, and it was done only with a Work-Mate. Don't remember if it was stablized some way, but I would think that some weight would help. Has anyone had experience in this matter? I am thinking about using a thick bench-hook type device on a long folding table for some planing, but there again I think I will have to add some stability and weight even though it need only convey the idea and not a fininshed job. Any advice? Lloyd Henley ---- Start of Message 42552 (thread 18788) ---- From: Anthony Seo Date: 1998-05-02 14:38:00 Subject: Re: Off-Site Woodworking At 09:48 AM 5/2/98 EDT, Lodley wrote: > Although I have only a barely adequate bench, it serves my puposes, and >like most is not easily portable. I have been asked to do some demonstration >work at a church event where various hobbies would be shown. It does not have >to involve much, but I am not sure how to set up for it. I once saw a >demonstration at a tool meet of a No. 55 in action, and it was done only with >a Work-Mate. Don't remember if it was stablized some way, but I would think >that some weight would help. Has anyone had experience in this matter? I am >thinking about using a thick bench-hook type device on a long folding table >for some planing, but there again I think I will have to add some stability >and weight even though it need only convey the idea and not a fininshed job. I'm looking at the same problem, having (been) volunteered to do a day's worth of 1 hour sessions at an upcoming historical camporee our Boy Scout council is having. Since this is the event that the candle lanterns (of previous message fame) are being made for, I am planning on basically showing that, and having the kids participate. I have a mental plan of a small bench that I've talked about before on here, I really should go measure it up (the original), but I won't have the time (I'll be lucky if the first couple of hours of sessions aren't on bench building). The design is sort of like a sawhorse on steroids. With a faceboard (some call them aprons) and a leg vice. Matter of fact, I'm off to the kiln to check on the availability of oak for the top piece. Will keep you apprised of how it works. Tony ________________________________________________________ Interesting Pennsylvania town names Intercourse, PA ________________________________________________________ ---- Start of Message 42555 (thread 18788) ---- From: Cylkowski&Broman Date: 1998-05-02 14:32:00 Subject: Re: Off-Site Woodworking > demonstration at a tool meet of a No. 55 in action, and it was done only with > a Work-Mate. Don't remember if it was stablized some way, but I would think > that some weight would help. Has anyone had experience in this matter? Now here's something that I actually know something about....i.e. making do with whatcha got....i.e. the dreaded Workmate. I built a removable table top for my own Workmate.......a flat piece of doubled-up plywood with a strip attached underneath. The strip is there to provide something for the Workmate to clamp onto. And if you make a "t" shaped strip....it has more stability. (strange ascii art follows) ___________ I____ _____I (top) _I I_ (clamping strip) I____I ("t" - which fits under Workmate clamping edge to keep top from flipping up) I've also made a bench hook in the same manner. The only problem, as suggested, is weight. It's too light. Which means you have to plane with one foot on the bottom rung of the Workmate. Which really limits the planing stroke. Dave Broman ---- Start of Message 42566 (thread 18788) ---- From: Tom Holloway Date: 1998-05-02 17:50:00 Subject: Re: Off-Site Woodworking At 9:48 AM 5/2/98, Lodley wrote: >I have been asked to do some demonstration >work.... I am >thinking about using a thick bench-hook type device on a long folding table >for some planing, but there again I think I will have to add some stability >and weight As Tony has suggested when working with 11-15 yr-old boys, audience participation is the ticket. No skills required, only body mass. Have some of the watching folks "volunteer" to sit on or lean against whatever you rig up, for stability. It won't hurt them, and they will be able to get a vicarious feel for what you're doing. Much easier to move from that relatively passive mode to get people to try their hand at making a shaving with a well tuned plane. Sure to get oohs and aahs. With a little advance planning and a few scraps and C clamps, you could probably turn a reg'lar church basement folding table into a makeshift planing bench: slab of 3/4" plywood on top, strip clamped crossways for a stop; a 2x4 or whatever fits along the edge, under the lip to make an apron / faceboard, to which you can clamp the stock you want to edge joint or whatever. I've done something similar with Boy Scouts, and a galoot can get a little added kick from the wondrous shaking of heads from the Normite dads in attendance. Tom Holloway ---- Start of Message 42582 (thread 18788) ---- From: Tom Corey Date: 1998-05-03 00:02:00 Subject: Re: Off-Site Woodworking Dave wrote: "I've also made a bench hook in the same manner. The only problem, as suggested, is weight. It's too light. Which means you have to plane with one foot on the bottom rung of the Workmate. Which really limits the planing stroke." I bolted mine to a half sheet of pl*wo*d. You stand on the plywood deck while planing and it doesn't move aroud as much. Tom Corey ---- Start of Message 42588 (thread 18788) ---- From: Don Groves Date: 1998-05-03 05:45:00 Subject: Re: Off-Site Woodworking At 20:02 5/2/98 -0400, Tom Corey wrote re: workmate: > >I bolted mine to a half sheet of pl*wo*d. You stand on the plywood deck >while planing and it doesn't move aroud as much. I'm right now face glueing 2x4s to make 3" thick tops, one 9" by 42" and the other 6" by 42" to be bolted to the tops of my workmate. This will add mucho weight, although top heavy, plus raise the top to about planing height while retaining the clamping features of the workmate. Has anyone on the porch tried this before? What's really interesting here is that if you look at the last chapter of The Workbench Book, you'll see that if you add the thicker top plus Tom's plywood base, you come real close to having a Mark I Workmate, the original design. Possible uses could be for off-site work, a GIT bench, a second bench around the shop that you don't mind beating on, or a lot of other things. -- Don Groves Apprentice Galoot Mickey: "Lookin' real cool in that new suit, Yogi." Yogi: "You're not lookin' so hot yourself, Mick." ---- Start of Message 42606 (thread 18788) ---- From: Steve Noe Date: 1998-05-04 00:11:00 Subject: Re: Off-Site Woodworking Lodley writes Has anyone had experience in this matter? I am >thinking about using a thick bench-hook type device on a long folding table >for some planing, but there again I think I will have to add some stability >and weight even though it need only convey the idea and not a fininshed job. It so happens that I just finished up some boxes with slideing lids. I plowed the grooves with my #45. I don't really have a bench, just used a couple of old sawhorses. It worked, sort of. Wobbly and really insufficient control. Of course, the fact that these were of 1/2 inch pl*w**d didn't help. Steve Noe, in Indianapolis (who has to remember this is OldTools, not BioLab, so frogs are metal, and do NOT have a gastrocnemius) snoe749@i... ++++ End of thread 18788 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18789 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42554 (thread 18789) ---- From: Tom Corey Date: 1998-05-02 15:02:00 Subject: Galoot dreaming in Md - a bio Greetings Porch Dwellers, Hi, my name's Tom and I'm a tool addict. Unlike some on the list, I can find not one woodworker in my family tree. I live in Frederick, MD with SWMBO (Carole) and 2 canine critters. I am a warehouse mgr for a distributor of doors and windows to the building trades. I did my woodwork in the normite fashion until last year. All blame for my ride down the slippery slope rests with Gunterman. Saw an announcement on rec.norm about a 'make a spokeshave class' at Ted Scott's. Whats a spokeshave? I had no idea but it sounded like a fun way to meet some woodworkers. So I go and make a tool. About 10 mins. into the proceedings JG comes over, puts both his large mitts in the middle of my back, and shoves me down this huge slope. Thank you, John. I now find myself looking for estate sales and fleas. My latest addition is a 12" Noble backsaw from MofA. SWMBO took one look at it and said "old tools are always better". Am I lucky or what? I am the greenest of GITs so I will spend most of my time in lurk mode. The porch is just such a relaxing place. Tom Corey just say (tmPL) slippin' and slidin' and lovin' the ride ---- Start of Message 42568 (thread 18789) ---- From: TomPrice Date: 1998-05-02 14:10:00 Subject: Re: Galoot dreaming in Md - a bio Yet Another Tom wrote: >My latest addition is a 12" >Noble backsaw from MofA. SWMBO took one look at it and said "old tools >are always better". Am I lucky or what? I am the greenest of GITs so I >will spend most of my time in lurk mode. The porch is just such a >relaxing place. > >Tom Corey >just say (tmPL) slippin' and slidin' and lovin' the ride Welcome to the Porch, Tom. We here at the Support Group From Hell are ready to assist you in your slide down that slippery slope. Yep. When you really start to pick up speed in your slide towards the Abyss and the still rational part of your brain begins to panic and you begin to think that maybe you had better slow down before you find yourself in a flea market in say, Canton TX, about to spend an UnGodly Amount Of Money on a rare collectible plane or maybe sitting inside on a rainy day with a fresh paycheck in the bank and the insane urge to get dressed and mount a multi state drive-by looting of old tool haunts up through Maryland and into SE Pennsylvania when you really should be down in the shop cleaning up or sharpening that 50 cent D-7 Disston 'Lightweight' you got at the flea market where the vendors know you by name (Oh yes! This is really starting to get SCARY HERE) or hitting Friday flea markets and antique stores on your lunch hour and bringing back somewhat rusty Objects Of Desire and babbling about them to your coworker's who smile stiffly at you to cover their growing concern (Ohmigod he's really LOSING IT) and back away from you down the hallway before you get another rust stain on their carefully chosen Casual Attire For Friday or you find another Galoot who works nearby and you end up reinforcing each other's fixations on those Got To Have tools and you end up having clandestine meetings in the parking lot for Show 'n Tell Gloat sessions... Right. OK, yes, when you pick up speed on the slide, we'll all be at the bottom of the Abyss yelling helpful suggestions like "Point your toes, you'll go faster!" We're here to help and there are several special interest groups such as the Flat Sole Society and that bunch who own infills (I forget the acronym), yeah that group over there with the smoking jackets and the faux British accents, and the AHOB's (Ancient and Honorable Order of Bottomfeeders) and Dumpster Divers Anonymous. There is no end to this obses..er, _interest_. Truly. Yep, welcome to the Porch, it's good to have another East Coast Galoot on board. BTW, think carefully before you come over into the First State looking for tools. The local gendarmes are primed to interdict anyone with out-of-state plates and a Galoot hat on, or even anyone who looks like they might be a Galoot, and the SOP is a body cavity search. I'm told that they are very thorough. You'll need an escort. Email me or Steve Reynolds privately for available times and rates although it does look like we're booked up until about 2008 or so. Good luck with your bench. Cast iron legs are considered cheating over here on the Right Coast. Steve and I have been hand mortising his and we only started in, lessee... Right. OK then, your rocker is over there. Welcome! **************************** Tom Price Brakes For Rust The Flea Market Tactical Primer is featured at The Galoot's Progress: http://members.aol.com/tomprice/galootp/galtprog.html ---- Start of Message 42575 (thread 18789) ---- From: J. Gunterman Date: 1998-05-02 16:43:00 Subject: Re: Galoot dreaming in Md - a bio At 11:02 AM -0400 5/2/98, Tom Corey wrote: >Greetings Porch Dwellers, Hey Tom, welcome to the Porch.... >I am the greenest of GITs so I will spend most of my time in lurk mode. awe shuck's you aint all _that_ green.. After-all, you DID make a pretty spiffy shave ;-) And Anybody that can survive 4+ hours in the same ship with me w/out leaking hemoglobin all over the place is defiantely all right in my book. ~ John http://www.cnh.mv.net/ipusers/gunterman/INDEX.HTM http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/1824 ++++ End of thread 18789 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18790 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42556 (thread 18790) ---- From: Sutton Date: 1998-05-02 15:35:00 Subject: Re: How Big is Gunterized? Uhm...I'll testify. My ancient hand-me-down workbench had a 24" top when I got it (16" work space and 8" of tool/trash tray). I added a 1"x8" pine board to the back side with wooden brackets so I'd have, you know, enough horizontal area to do stuff. Mine's an against-the-wall bench. That board now serves primarily as a storage area for things that would be better stored elsewhere. These are the things that fall down when I plane, get knocked over when I move a piece around, etc. If I had the space to put the bench in the middle of the room I'd take the extra board off. BTW, I "solved" the tool/trash tray problem recently by cutting away the last four inches of the tray at the right end so I can sweep shavings through this chute into a wastebasket stationed below it (I used to have to fetch the shop vac). So tools wouldn't constantly be jumping through the chute, I carved and fitted a wooden plug that closes the hole and sits level with the main bench top. >My reasoning for the narrow top is that unoccupied horizontal >surfaces attract things. My wider bench quickly became >Gunterfied with clutter. >Whoa how did you figure THAT out!?!?!!? ++++ End of thread 18790 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18791 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42557 (thread 18791) ---- From: Sutton Date: 1998-05-02 15:40:00 Subject: re:Ogontz Plane Thanks! I've got the Ogontz with the Sandusky iron. It's a coffin shaped thing I picked up at an antique strore in Indianapolis. I bought it primarily for the nice heavy cast steel iron assembly. I'm debating whether to joint the bottom of the Ogontz (it's sloped) and use it as a smoother, or to make a woodie around the iron. David >Galoots, Someone asked a while ago about a wooden plane they found >marked "Ogontz", >... that he named his estate at Philadelphia OGONTZ. >Neat stuff! ++++ End of thread 18791 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18792 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42558 (thread 18792) ---- From: Sutton Date: 1998-05-02 15:41:00 Subject: Re: THE PLANE Congratulations on finding THE PLANE, but more importantly, congratulations on a world class SWMBO! Mine, too, is very supportive. David Sutton ++++ End of thread 18792 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18793 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42560 (thread 18793) ---- From: Dave Weisbord Date: 1998-05-02 18:10:00 Subject: Family Tree - Different Spin Regarding the current thread on ancestral woodworkers: I'm not aware of anyone in my family who was a woodworker. In fact growing up in a suburban, 95% Jewish neighborhood, wood was just that stuff you saw in the forest. My father was the only person I knew who had any craft-like skills. He made extremely intricate models, painted, mounted, and built display cases for them. Model making was his private time and I rarely got to watch for long. I just admired and was a bit intimidated by the final product. Surely I could never do anything like that. I had zero knowledge of the use of tools growing up. I heard all the jokes about Jews and tools and no doubt told a few myself. My one year in high school woodshop demonstrated to me my lack of any ability or interest in woodworking. I still remember fumbling with those planes. It seemed that the non-Jewish class members had more "inate" talent than I. As an adult, however, I developed a love of wood. I went after any chance to sand or refinish a piece of furniture or hardwood floors. Still knew nothing about how to use a tool or what most of them even were for. Years have past. I am making guitars as a serious hobby and even have a commissioned order for one. My sister, some years back, decided she wanted a business. She got the idea that she could make wooden crafty things and sell them at craft shows. Now well beyond the pukey duck stage, she has a very successful business which sells both at the retail and wholesale level. After retiring, my father didn't know what to do with himself. Taking a lesson from my sister, he began cutting wood, and now sells at the craft shows himself. My son is two and loves tools, always asking to see daddy's tools. When he's ready I'll teach him what I can and let him watch me make guitars as much as he wants. I guess our family background has changed! Dave Decades have gone by from my non-tool childhood and now all three of us work actively with wood. Maybe we do have carpenters in our ancestry. Dave ++++ End of thread 18793 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18794 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42561 (thread 18794) ---- From: John White Date: 1998-05-02 19:10:00 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Please explain this cobbler's hammer WHATSIT] > John--Thumb throbs like hell if I type too long. Basically from what I > read in the attachment, it should be pointed out that on a shoe-MAKER'S > hammer, the pane sticks out. French panes are "S" curved, German are > straight with a curve at the tip, and English style are pretty straight. > This typology emerges by 1750 and continues consistently right up to the > present day. So apparently does its use. This pane has always primarily > designed to be used to strike the edges of the outsole after it has been > stitched to the welt, but before it is finally trimmed. This creates a row > of tiny vertical dents in the moist leather edge (later removed during the > finishing process) which increases the psi of the hammer-blow on a > localized spot. This does two things: it "beds" the individual stitches > that hold the outsole on by compressing the leather tightly around the > stitch that passes vertically through the sole behind the blow, and > secondly, it compacts the fibers of the leather along the edge in general, > making it a harder, denser edge when finished. If you look at many older > shoe hammer panes on the very edge, they look all mushroomed over, like > they were used on something they shouldn't have been. This is intentional! > The pane on a new one is far too sharp and will actually cut the leather, > so the first thing most canny hands do is moderately pound the pane > repeatedly on an anvil of some sort to blunt that edge out a little. With > the decline in hand-sewn shoemaking, nobody much uses the pane for it's > intended purpose anyway, so many are no longer blunted by mushrooming-out. > > When the "Crispin" design appeared (again late 19th c.), a great multitude > of "One Trick Pony" tools were being marketed for shoemakers and > repairmen--far more than anyone really needed except the rube with a few > extra bucks in his pocket. The writer who described the pane on a > "Crispin" looking like a claw hammer without the split in the middle is > right on it. I know of no description in any textbook, or any first-hand > accounts of this atrophied pane being used for anything traditionally, just > to counter-balance the head, and get the pane out of the way at the same > time. And likewise, the "thing" about a "Crispin" is the corrugated face > for driving clinch tacks so they don't slip and fall over--that's it's one > "trick". Now, having said this, any tool for any trade may have been > designed for a specific operation initially, but as clever as tradesmen > are, the use was adapted to something entirely beyond the mind of the > originator (like using long-paned shoe hammers to get into the corners of > drawers in cabinetry, or upholstering billiard tables with shoemakers' > combination hammer-pincers or "lasting pincers"--a use they were not > designed for). > > I have always found it a useful process not to begin by looking at what a > tool is being used for after the fact, but what it was initially designed > to do. I've seen all sorts of things being used for all manner of > unintended applications, but this tells us little about the origins or > purpose it was devised for. Maybe something really sucked at what it was > designed for, but became a boon to somebody else for an entirely different > application, for which it remains popular. Anyway, as far as I know the > "Crispin" was a shoe-REPAIR hammer made to replace the worn-out 1/2 round > files everybody was using for driving clinch tacks. I'm sure other > applications developed along the way, but curiously enough, George Barnsley > & Sons (UK) still sell a "half-round rivet driver", which is basically a > new "old" heavy file made expressly for this. C. S. Pierce & Co. (US) > still sell the "Crispin" hammer, but not the half-round files. Forwarded is more info on shoe makers hammers from my broken-thumbed cordwainer friend in Colonial Williamsburg. John White, Baltimore ++++ End of thread 18794 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18795 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42562 (thread 18795) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-02 17:12:00 Subject: What epoxy to use for repair? I have an unfortunate wooden plane that is in need of a repair. I was advised to use two-part epoxy to do the repair. The break is clean, good surfaces to bond to, but I was wondering what the best choice of epoxy would be. Just go the the hardware store and buy regular old two part epoxy? Or should I look for a specific kind? Thanks, Steve York ---- Start of Message 42565 (thread 18795) ---- From: Dave Weisbord Date: 1998-05-02 17:41:00 Subject: Re: What epoxy to use for repair? >I have an unfortunate wooden plane that is in need of a repair. I was advised >to use two-part epoxy to do the repair. The break is clean, good surfaces >to bond to, but I was wondering what the best choice of epoxy would be. >Just go the the hardware store and buy regular old two part epoxy? Or >should I look for a specific kind? I would strongly recommend the 24-hour variety of epoxy vs. the 5 minute types you find in department stores. The 24-hour type is more stable in the long run than the 5 minute type. Don't get me wrong the 5 minute type works well for many applications. But I assume that on a wooden plane you are looking for a "permanent" bond that won't crack in the future. One of the best out there is System Three. Unfortunately, you can't just buy a small quantity of this stuff, and you'll be out about $50 by the time you buy everything you need. But good eopxy like this has many uses in woodworking: gluing, gap filling, etc. I even know some guitar makers who use it as a pore filler. In short, if you're looking for a permanent bond, get the slower drying type. Dave ---- Start of Message 42569 (thread 18795) ---- From: PeterH5322 Date: 1998-05-02 14:11:00 Subject: Re: What epoxy to use for repair? In a message dated 5/2/98 10:18:52 AM, you wrote: << I was advised to use two-part epoxy to do the repair. >> Actually, all epoxies are two part ... 1) resin, and 2) hardner. The best I've used is the so-called "high strength" epoxy, which is the one which reaches full-cure "overnight". To be avoided are the so-called "3 minute" epoxy formulations. I have used cabocil as a filler (for improved "gap filling") with good success. I use "clear" epoxy, and have been told that this may be tinted with a good grade of artist's oil pigment. The next time I have to repair a rosewood tote that has a "gap", I'm going to experiment with tinting this epoxy to look like rosewood. You state your break is clean. Fine. Now go the extra mile and create some very tiny score marks in the mating surface. This will enhance penetration. I use a modeler's Zona razor saw, reshaped to have a curved edge somehwhat like a veneer saw. You could just as easily use an X-acto knife, probably a #11 blade. Good luck. Peter. ---- Start of Message 42570 (thread 18795) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-02 18:09:00 Subject: Re: What epoxy to use for repair? > >I have an unfortunate wooden plane that is in need of a repair. I was > advised >to use two-part epoxy to do the repair. The break is clean, good > surfaces >to bond to, but I was wondering what the best choice of epoxy > would be. >Just go the the hardware store and buy regular old two part > epoxy? Or >should I look for a specific kind? > > I would strongly recommend the 24-hour variety of epoxy vs. the 5 minute > types you find in department stores. The 24-hour type is more stable in > the long run than the 5 minute type. Don't get me wrong the 5 minute type > works well for many applications. But I assume that on a wooden plane you > are looking for a "permanent" bond that won't crack in the future. > > Dave Ugh, that makes it tougher. The broken part is the screw arm from a plough plane. It will be very hard to clamp securely. Obviously the screw threads have to be perfectly aligned, and the arm must be straight. Otherwise the wooden nut will never thread smoothly across it. I was thinking that by mounting the plane fence in my big vise so that the arm was vertical, I could epoxy it and manually hold it in place until it was set, then I could let it go and finish curing. Would this be possible with the 24 hour variety? This plane will obviously never have much value, but I like it and want to keep it as a user. The bond must be straight and strong, to handle whatever stress a plow fence arm undergoes. The break was a clean break, with no splitting. The two ends meet in a V shape, so that there is a good bit of long grain to bond to. If it was a 90 degree type clean break, I would probably use an indexing pin and epoxy. Steve ---- Start of Message 42571 (thread 18795) ---- From: John Letsche Date: 1998-05-02 19:30:00 Subject: Re: What epoxy to use for repair? Dave Weisbord wrote: > > One of the best out there is System Three. Unfortunately, you can't just > buy a small quantity of this stuff, and you'll be out about $50 by the > time you buy everything you need. But good eopxy like this has many uses > in woodworking: gluing, gap filling, etc. I even know some guitar makers > who use it as a pore filler. Both System 3 and West are excellent products. For a small quantitiy, Go to the system three website. You can order a trial kit for $10.00 It contains the resin, hardner, gloves, filler and a bunch of other stuff. Quite a good deal. I think its www.systemthree.com John. ---- Start of Message 42572 (thread 18795) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-02 18:30:00 Subject: Re: What epoxy to use for repair? I checked with Japan Woodworker and they carry something called Smith and Co. Boatbuilders epoxy. They have slow and fast cure formulations. Does anyone have experience with this stuff. Japan Woodworker is local to me, so I can go grab some today. Steve ---- Start of Message 42576 (thread 18795) ---- From: Colin Montoya-Lewis Date: 1998-05-02 21:34:00 Subject: Re: What epoxy to use for repair? >... but I was wondering what the best choice of epoxy would be. Assuming the tool has no collectable value in this condition, etc.... I'll echo what others have already said: Use a slow cure epoxy. West System, System Three, etc.. The problem (again, as others have already pointed out) is that you need to buy a fair quantity, and it's best to get the measured pumps. IOW, with epoxy, you're really buying an a system rather than a bottle of glue. If you do this, I'd bet that you would become interested enough in the stuff to begin to explore its numerous uses. It really is great stuff. Whenever I've been faced with the impossible, epoxy always comes to the rescue. If, however, you're hesitant to take a plunge into buying $50 worth of epoxy to fix a small crack in a plane, you might want to call Industrial Formulators of Canada (1-800-778-0833) to request product literature and (here's the best part) free samples. What they send will be enough to do your repair and to decide whether epoxy is something you want to play around with some more. They make a system that's comparable to those listed above. One other alternative is Maas epoxy, which I've had mostly good results with. It's the same sort of deal, but comes in somewhat more "consumer sized" packaging. It's available from Woodworker's Supply of New Mexico. (Sorry, don't have the number handy.) -Colin ++++ End of thread 18795 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18796 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42563 (thread 18796) ---- From: nedbal Date: 1998-05-02 12:54:00 Subject: Saturday's bottom feeding #8 clinton saw works looks like "Disstons" warranted superior button on handle , wheat handle, good condition, handle seems original to saw? anyone have any info on this? H. Disston and sons keyhole saw , nice condition when the above 2 went for a total of $1.50 I went back for more armstrong pipe die set .25 3/8 .5 _ 1 " in box pd$5 the big price on this due to she liked the box it was in, used once? Stillson #10 Walworth mfg pipe wrench , Boston, black paint handle , V. good Dolman 12" solid bar, wooden riveted handle type screwdriver , can opener, but I like this type Stanley AR100 framing square, V. good grand total ALL above for $12 and any info on clinton saw works? ---- Start of Message 42584 (thread 18796) ---- From: JLMOORE Date: 1998-05-02 21:29:00 Subject: Re: Saturday's bottom feeding My Saturdays bottom-feeding adventure... I had to be at work at noon to test 30 PC's for a class on Sunday. I had planned to sleep late, lounge around the house, and then head into work for a few hours. But I guess fate took over because I was wide awake at 6am. I toss and turn for awhile before deciding to go out and get the paper. Inside I read about a city-wide garage sale day at a small rural town a few miles east. Well, why not? So I check the tool fund and head out. I get there a little after 7am and start cruising the bubbamobile up and down the streets. At the first stop are two little old ladies dragging out cardboard boxes. A lot of metal scraps, hinges, pipes etc. They tell me it is some stuff from a barn they recently cleaned out. I am about to leave when I spot a huge auger bit sticking out of one of the boxes. It seems to be waving at me so I go over (queue the x-files music). The bit is trashed but at the bottom of the box I find a #71 router plane, a #75 bullnose, and a Stanley bevel (all metal type with the locking bolt on the bottom). I hold them up and tenatively ask "How Much?" The answer - five bucks! John Moore ---- Start of Message 42586 (thread 18796) ---- From: Jim Date: 1998-05-03 03:36:00 Subject: Re: Saturday's bottom feeding Well I had been waiting all week with anticipation to go bottom feeding this weekend. Friday afternoon -- sore throat, fever -- tool medicine and went to bed early and hoped -- SWMBO said I wasn't going anywhere unless I felt better. Sat morning rolled around in Old Tool Hell (OTH) (Southern Arizona) and loe and behold, I wasn't 100%, but I was in good enough shape. I had a small swap meet, a large swat meet, and the used tool store in town was having a 10-50% off May sale. Had never been to the smaller swap meet before and I usually come home looking dejected with no success in fining tools -- SWMBO makes all appropriate noises about coming back empty handed. Digressing... after reading the Old Tools list for a little bit, I can now think of about three or four Gloats that I turned down because I didn't know any better. Back to bottom feeding. Walked around the swap meet and found an old saw for a couple of bucks -- 11pt cc with dipped back most likely a no name, but it had the Diston shaped handle. For some reason chisels are pretty rare in OTH, but I was feeling lucky after scoring a Stanley 160 with a handle and a Pexto without for another couple of bucks. I did see some planes -- which believe me is rare, but they were beaters with outrageous prices. turned the last corner and there in OTH was a little corner of heaven--- Planes, saws, chisels, braces, levels,--- it was all there. Nice older couple, said he was getting on in years and was selling some of his stuff off. Saws were his favorites and he had some crispy Distons -- but by his price tags he was _very_ proud of them. I moved on the the planes. had a #45 with a couple of blades for $125 -- on my list, but so are almost every other plane. I have been working on my bench and even though I could use back saw or chisel for the tenons, it seemed like it would be more fun to try with a plane. He did have a #190 -- as a matter of fact he had #190, 191, and 192 -- he thought they made a nice set and took a nice price break on them - user grade. He had a #220 for $10 that was in excellent shape. (My son-in-law bought me a #220 at a swap meet in Sacramento when we were up there couple of weeks ago -- he thought he got a good deal, but it is missing a knob and the bed is cracked around the blade) This will make a swell replacement and he will never be the wiser. FInally he pulled out a box of Baileys. Got me a very crispy #3 (WWII type with real prety beech knob and tote for just a little more than the others wanted for the beaters. Needless to say I was in Old Tool heaven -- didn't even go to the other swap meet or the used tool store. I did leave the gentleman my card -- he said he would call the next time he came out to the swap meet. He also threw in some walnut and cherry that he had had laying around for about thirty years -- about 12-16" long and a combo 16/4, 12/4s. Well, I get home, show off my hoard to SWMBO and she says, why didn't you get that cute #45 you wanted -- when you see something like that you should buy it. Gotta love her -- of course it was too late to go back, and I was too stupid to get the gentleman's name and number -- so I spent the day makin' hickory curls on my bench legs. Jim Bob ++++ End of thread 18796 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18797 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42564 (thread 18797) ---- From: Stephen.York@E...[SMTP:Stephen.York@E...] Date: 1998-05-02 17:41:00 Subject: What epoxy to use for repair? I strongly recommend West Systems Expoxy, made by the Gougeon Brothers. Use the 105 resin and the 205 hardener. It comes with instructions that are an education! My boat building friends love it. I am a neophyte to glues and woods, etc. and yet got great results in my first projects which needed epoxy, without having to bug my better informed friends. Pick up some microfibers to add to the mix. Look for it in marine supply stores or in the catalogs of woodworking supply companies. Not cheap, but great stuff. ---------- From: Stephen.York@E...[SMTP:Stephen.York@E...] Sent: Saturday, May 02, 1998 6:12 AM To: oldtools@l... Subject: What epoxy to use for repair? I have an unfortunate wooden plane that is in need of a repair. I was advised to use two-part epoxy to do the repair. The break is clean, good surfaces to bond to, but I was wondering what the best choice of epoxy would be. Just go the the hardware store and buy regular old two part epoxy? Or should I look for a specific kind? Thanks, Steve York ++++ End of thread 18797 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18798 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42567 (thread 18798) ---- From: Tom Holloway Date: 1998-05-02 17:50:00 Subject: Show report/leapfrog query GGs-- Yesterday SWMBO and I hit the Hillsborough Antique Show at the San Mateo County fairgrounds. Hundreds of dealers, acres of glass and fabric and ceramics, and quite a bit of furniture, including some old pieces some nice pieces, and even some nice old pieces. A couple of observations from one who has frequented some big shows in the interior regions of the US Northeast: Out here on the Left Coast, much of the furniture at higher-end events like this originated in Yurp ("continent" on northwestern end of Eurasian land mass, to which your island is now connected by underwater tunnel, Jeff). So there were a couple of pieces that actually might have been made in the 17th century, as the tag claimed, and quite a few nice 18th and early 19th-century pieces. Then you fast-forward to Arts and Crafts, Mission oak, and the like. Very little of the country pine and rustic stuff one sees, eg, at Madison-Bouckville and other eastern US conflabs, nor the quality Boston, or Baltimore, or Philly items one sees in eastern US shows and shops. (When I commented on a nicely inlaid firebox [or whatever you call those scoop-shaped boxes about a foot square, with a carrying handle on top and a metal bucket inside, for keeping banked coals], the guy in the booth said he has them shipped from Britain by the container. OldTools content: in a word, durn little, and all at Full Retail. little groups of 4-fold rules in with the fountain pens and pocket knives, and an odd and end here and there. One lady had a very nice SW #2 in her case for $375, another guy had a complete #55 in wooden box, most cutters never honed, "as is typical" (tmPL;-) asking $600, elsewhere a #10 1/2, one cheek and tote cracked and nicely repaired, for $125, and like that. THE QUERY: One booth had half a dozen English back saws lined up, including one that could have been the pattern for the IT. The brass backing strips had the requisite high polish, and although some could be rehabilitated for their original purpose, these were not being sold as users. One logo caught my eye, and I thought to ask the Saw People about it: Spear and Jackson, 14" blade, closed handle, filed 10pt. Next to the S&J stamp on the rib was a stamped image of a boy leaping over another boy's back, and the word "leapfrog" stamped next to it. What does anybody know about "leapfrog" saws? Tom Holloway ---- Start of Message 42574 (thread 18798) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-02 19:19:00 Subject: Re: Show report/leapfrog query The "Leapfrog" model is a "3rd" line Spear-Jackson handsaw (in 1915). The top line was "Double Mermaid", 2nd line "Mermaid". Asking price in 1915 for them in 26" skew back blade length was : Double Mermaid 128/- doz (Vanadium Alloy Steel) Mermaid 100/- doz (Silver Steel, London Spring) Leapfrog 70/- doz (Cast Steel) (I assume the prices are in "Shillings/Pence") It should be noted that in 1915 the Mermaid and Leapfrog trademarks were called "New Trade Marks" by Spear & Jackson. --ErvSaws ++++ End of thread 18798 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18799 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42573 (thread 18799) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-02 19:02:00 Subject: Re: Saturday's bottom feeding(Clinton Saw Works saw) Re: Clinton Saw Works saw. I don't have much on this "company" (if it is a saw maker), just know Clinton is in NY & near Utica NY and a #8 Clinton Saw Works handsaw was reported to me before (same saw?). --ErvSaws ---- Start of Message 42581 (thread 18799) ---- From: nedbal Date: 1998-05-02 19:27:00 Subject: Re: Saturday's bottom feeding(Clinton Saw Works saw) thanks took a better look at it , it's marked New York, NY and the warranted superior is not the disston keystone but a eagle in there? forgot to mention a few other things in that deal , for oldtools a nice hand crank grinder w/stone ,too bad its missing the original tool rest, otherwise a Crapps** torque wrench, and some other non oldtools stuff! > Subject: Re: Saturday's bottom feeding(Clinton Saw Works saw) > Re: Clinton Saw Works saw. I don't have much on this "company" (if it is > a saw maker), just know Clinton is in NY & near Utica NY and a #8 > Clinton Saw Works handsaw was reported to me before (same saw?). > --ErvSaws > ++++ End of thread 18799 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18800 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42577 (thread 18800) ---- From: J. Gunterman Date: 1998-05-02 22:32:00 Subject: weekend project spewage Exec. version: Scored some Beech, SWMBette and I started making a box for Mother's Day present Galoot version: This AM I drove over to JD's place.. then on over to a Mill and picked up 500+ hundred Bd./Ft. of Beech.. some really beautifull stuff... really wish I had more disposable cash right now drove back to his place and unloaded from the trucks into the loft of the barn. them Quarter sawn _wet_ 8/4 beech was HEAVY.. We got most of it all stacked and stickered and I left w/ a bit.. (it will be my _next_ workbench top..) It's sitting in my I'n-law's barn right now... I'll drop it off to the kiln sometione this week.... When I got home, SMBette and I started work on Momma's present for next weekend. I fed some of the Patagonian Cherry (Lenga) I have been hoarding(Thanks again Stu, it is beautifull stuff)... I fed the stuff to Scrub-Boy (pl@n&r) to bring it down to the right thickness.. Then I got to play w/ some hand tools.. Clamaped the board in the Emmert and propped the opposite end up on a dog in the tail-vice... snapped a chalk line and took out the scrub-plane and got pretty darned close.. switched over to a #5 and brought it down just a GA short of the line and then swapped the #5 for a #8 and got the edge straight ...... It was still not square so I got out the #95 and lickety split it was square.... I then threw the board in the truck and drove out to where my T@bl& S@w is kept and ripped it to consistent, parallel width.. back in the truck w/ my plank & SWMBette and we were soon home. I planed the surfaces w/ a super Tuned Type11 #4 w/ Hock iron.. it was _so_sweet.. then we set to cutting the box sides to lenght on my super-spiffy #360A Miter-Saw (thanks again Pattrick ;-) Victoria was hillarious to watch.. she did all the cutting herself.. the darned saw was taller than her ;-) Next we laid out the pins for the dove-tail joinery on the box.... Victoria used the LVT wheel type guage to scribe the base-lines and I used my SuperiorWorks Bevel Guage to lay out the sockets, Victoria and I took turns w/ the IT saw cutting them (I'd start the cut, she'd finish it, (She showed great controll on not going past the base-lines (better than the ones I cut ;-) We then chopped out the waste using chisels and a mallet I di dthe chisel work, Victoria worked the mallet, not once did she miss and hit me!.. Well it was about 5 PM and time to watch N*rnie, so we knocked off for the day. We should finish up the pins tomorrow and then work on ploughin the grooves to hold the top and bottom early this week. ~ John http://www.cnh.mv.net/ipusers/gunterman/INDEX.HTM http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/1824 ++++ End of thread 18800 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18801 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42580 (thread 18801) ---- From: J. Gunterman Date: 1998-05-02 23:26:00 Subject: Re: THE TOOL Hmmm.. the ones I have that I would _NEVER_ part with: IT Saw #14 ( passed on #12 because I liked the grain on #14 better) Superior Works Bevel Guage, (A gift from the folks In LA) Lignum carving Mallet I turned (Another sentimantal item) #360A MiterBox (too suculent to ever need "upgrading") The tools that are on my "someday" list... I duunno... I guess I'll just wait till I see it, then I'll know......there is really not much I can think of except: A complete set of Type 11's, #2 through 8 , (all fitted w/ Hock irons, of course ;-) Ummm... One of everything from Lie-Nielsen... ~ John http://www.cnh.mv.net/ipusers/gunterman/INDEX.HTM http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/1824 ++++ End of thread 18801 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18802 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42585 (thread 18802) ---- From: Tom Holloway Date: 1998-05-03 02:35:00 Subject: Book report GGs-- Found a new book that galoots should look for, look at, and maybe buy. It is THE WOODWORKER'S GUIDE TO HAND TOOLS, by Peter Korn (Taunton Press, 1998), ISBN 1-56158-216-6, sticker price US$22.95, 201 pp. Some may know Korn's 1993 book WORKING WITH WOOD, which is good, even if it shows some Normite influence. This new book is sort of like an updated, 'Murican audience version of Aldren Watson's HAND TOOLS, THEIR WAYS AND WORKINGS. It discusses no motorized anything, but refers to *old* tools only when new versions are not to be had. This leads to recurring suggestions that the reader might look in the antique tool market for users. Also several suggestions that readers might want to consult Mike Dunbar's RESTORING, TUNING, AND USING CLASSIC WW TOOLS. This book has a lot on what to look for in a hand tool, how to tune for use, and techniques for use. Excellent shaded drawings of tools and techniques, with the clear text. Lots, for example, on tuning and using scrapers. Also has a bibliography listing 15 classic sources for the galoot library. Nine-page appendix on sharpening. In one or another sharpening thread in this forum someone (maybe Doug Dawson) pointed out that until the various abrasives are listed on a scale of microns, confusion will remain. This book has an appendix table table listing microns in the first column (from 1.2 to 1293), and then comparative columns for: ANSI U.S. sandpaper; FEPA European (P-mesh) sandpaper (way different at fine grits, scale merges with US at 180 grit); JIS Japanese waterstones; ANSI Bonded Abrasive Oilstones (like Soft Arkansas, fine India, Crystolon); and Diamond Stones. A big help for clueless abrasive people (none of them on this list, o'course ;-) The U.S. sandpaper listing only goes down to 1200 grit (6.5 Microns), but since 1000 grit is 9.2 midrons I deduce that 2000 grit is about 4.6 microns or so. Is that correct? For those who need to know, 1293 microns is equal to 16 grit stuff in the US scale--like scraping with sharp pebbles. Anyhow, this book looks like a good primer, especially but not only for newbies and GITs. Tom Holloway, noting that Korn is billed as Director of the Center for Furniture Craftsmanship in Rockport, Maine. Anyone of his personal acquaintance? Bruce? ++++ End of thread 18802 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18803 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42589 (thread 18803) ---- From: jeff Date: 1998-05-03 05:48:00 Subject: Raw Hands!!! Galoots, On principle, I will not have a tool in my shop just because it's collectible or "perdy". Since scoring that #9, I've tuned it and have been trying to use use it. ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO HOLD THIS *#&@$^*$#&^$&*THING COMFORTABLY????? And to those with worried looks, this plane isn't going to be a daily user but it has to be usable. If it's not -out it goes in exchange for some real tools! (No, I'm not interested in offers, thanks!) Rgds, Jeff from Wpg. ++++ End of thread 18803 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18804 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42590 (thread 18804) ---- From: eric coyle Date: 1998-05-03 07:03:00 Subject: shop geometry -trisect an angle..... esteemed fellow galoots. curious and sundry web-surfing has lead me to a site which shows many different wooden devicia-mathematica suitable for construction by galoots and also for application in layout. Hey, just how many of those gauge-types got an angle tri-sector???? check it out at http://155.185.1.61:80/labmat/usa1.htm. Some of it is in Italian. Cowtown Eric ++++ End of thread 18804 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18805 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42592 (thread 18805) ---- From: Sutton Date: 1998-05-03 13:55:00 Subject: No Good Saws Hello Galoots. I'm sure everyone is poised at his/her computer with trembling hands hovering over the keyboard, waiting for the magic hour that will ring in May's FMM, but if anyone is listening . . . I have been educating myself about handsaws. I just finished examining my assortment of six or seven I've accumulated over the last twenty years or so and now I understand why I can't cut straight. All of my saws are cr*p. That's a relief, in a way. There is one possible exception, and it's an old Disston crosscut with a bad bend out toward the end. There's at least 14" of good straight sawblade from the handle on out (in need of jointing, setting and sharpening, but straight). Can I just cut the bent part off and save the rest? Make it a panel saw? If so, what does one use to cut a sawblade, and how does one go about it? I appreciate your help. It would be good to know I have at least ONE decent saw to start with. David Sutton ---- Start of Message 42597 (thread 18805) ---- From: Richard MacArthur Date: 1998-05-03 17:13:00 Subject: Re: No Good Saws Sutton wrote: There is one possible exception, and it's an old Disston crosscut with a bad bend out toward the end. There's at least 14" of good straight sawblade from the handle on out (in need of jointing, setting and sharpening, but straight). Hi fellow galoots, go to http://www.taunton.com/fw/features/techniques/19kink.htm for a solution to your bent saws.I've fixed a few saws this way with few problems Rich ---- Start of Message 42722 (thread 18805) ---- From: Jeff Gorman Date: 1998-05-05 06:00:00 Subject: RE: No Good Saws David Sutton wrote: > If so, > what does one use to cut a sawblade, and how does one go about it? A very fine toothed hacksaw might touch it. Work with the blade at a very small angle to the saw plate (to increase the length of the cut), otherwise an abrasive cutting disk will do the job. Use a proper tool for holding the disk, it is not safe to put them into a table saw (speed and clamping method). Mind you, I have fitted a small one to a very ancient B & D circular saw add-on without harm. Jeff -- Jeff Gorman - West Yorkshire Jeff@m... http://www.millard.demon.co.uk/index.html ++++ End of thread 18805 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18806 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42594 (thread 18806) ---- From: John J Black Date: 1998-05-03 16:22:00 Subject: Weekend Haul GG’s, Weekend tool haul: Mer Plierench Corporation, Eifrl Geared Plierench it has the number 8 1/2-44-0 on it. It is a geared sliding jaw device with plier type handles that close parallel jaws. It is old enough to have a $5.00 price stamped right into the side of it. Anyone know anything about this company? A L.S. Starrett Level, Precision Machine, this is real pretty with a chrome rotating shield, but is has no identifying number on it. It is 1 1/4" W x 1 3/4" H x 8" dimensionally with two bubble levels ( a smaller one across the end). Anyone got a number on this, or know its approxiamte value? 6” all metal Stanley Bevel Gauge (#18? Walter doesn’t appear to be very clear on these) Pat date 7-14-08. A #10 Miller Falls Rosewood and brass handled adjustable size hack saw. It cleaned up just beautify. Omega (never heard of Omega) 3 1/2 inch and metric inside/outside all metal vernier gage. A 6" dial vernier gage, a 1" dia x 3" long steel (looks home made), a couple of vixen files, a wooden coffin smooth plane, a # 4 smoother, a 12" long crow bar, a 9" long center punch (home made), two 5/16" exchangeable wooden handle nut driver, a wooden handled hatchet, three ball peen hammers, a brick hammer, star drills, and a nifty wooden carpenters tool box. All for $70 bucks. John ++++ End of thread 18806 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18807 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42595 (thread 18807) ---- From: Darrell LaRue Date: 1998-04-28 18:51:00 Subject: Shavings in the Office Galoots, I'm working hard on a possible convert here at the office. He brought in a couple of boards yesterday and tried to explain what he wanted to do, and he couldn't think of any way of doing it with his current set of tools (mostly hand help p*w*r stuff). Seems all he wanted was a couple of rabbets cut. So today I brought in a #78 rabbet & fillister and we cut a couple of rabbets at lunch. Now he thinks he needs a jack plane and a rabbet plane. That's all, right? Uh Huh. Yup, that's all (heh heh). Kinda brightens up an otherwise dreary day :^) Darrell Who might have pushed another one down that slope today! -- Darrell LaRue Scotia Capital Markets Toronto Ontario, Canada Opinions expressed herein are personal and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. "That ain't no slippery slope, that's an inclined plane!" ++++ End of thread 18807 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18808 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42596 (thread 18808) ---- From: Jimlemon Date: 1998-05-03 13:07:00 Subject: Trisecting angles- Really! My world has just been turned on it's head. Common knowledge from way back (9th grade goemetry) always said there was no way to trisect an angle- and here's a mechanical doogie that does it! What else you got- something to square circles? Maybe ol' Mr. Benlan meant there was no way to trisect an angle using Euclidean methods- you know, straight-edge and compass and that schtick? That it can be done using this device just blows me out of the water. I'm very tempted to try my hand at one. Thanks for the post. Jim Lemon ---- Start of Message 42598 (thread 18808) ---- From: Stephan Patnaude Date: 1998-05-03 17:13:00 Subject: Re: Trisecting angles- Really! Hello Mathematically Minded Galoots, Speaking of tri-sectors and mathematical machines, I've got a stealth project going which involves a brass and ebony machine for n-secting angles using a spiral of Archimedes. The goal is to have a handy aid for laying out some interesting polychromatic turning blanks without the need of computation. Anybody ever take a shot at making this kind of device? Anybody collect antique layout tools that perform similar functions? - Stephan P.S. FWIW, really neat cutting boards can be fashioned by laminating rectangles of woods in contrasting colors in such a way that the dimensions of the rectangles are determined via similar Fibonacci sequences on the x and y axis of the cutting board. ---- Start of Message 42603 (thread 18808) ---- From: Holland, Larry Date: 1998-05-03 18:55:00 Subject: Re: Trisecting angles- Really! > >P.S. FWIW, really neat cutting boards can be fashioned by laminating >rectangles of woods in contrasting colors in such a way that the dimensions >of the rectangles are determined via similar Fibonacci sequences on the >x and y axis of the cutting board. You know the veins and arteries in your body branch out in a way that obeys the Fibonacci sequence...? I've seen your cutting board design...pretty cool. Larry Larry Holland estuary@w... ---- Start of Message 42629 (thread 18808) ---- From: eric coyle Date: 1998-05-04 05:34:00 Subject: Re: Trisecting angles- Really! At 01:41 PM 5/3/98 -0400, Stephan Patnaude wrote: >Hello Mathematically Minded Galoots, > >Speaking of tri-sectors and mathematical machines, I've >got a stealth project going which involves a brass and ebony >machine for n-secting angles using a spiral of Archimedes. >The goal is to have a handy aid for laying out some interesting >polychromatic turning blanks without the need of computation. > >Anybody ever take a shot at making this kind of device? > >Anybody collect antique layout tools that perform similar >functions? > >- Stephan > >P.S. FWIW, really neat cutting boards can be fashioned by laminating >rectangles of woods in contrasting colors in such a way that the dimensions >of the rectangles are determined via similar Fibonacci sequences on the >x and y axis of the cutting board. > >************************************************************************* FWIW, the trisector of Kempe listed at that site could be "added to" to make an n-secting device, if you look at the points HFDB, they follow the spiral. Practical limitations gotta apply though, cause the arms to the left keep getting longer and longer. Me, I pick up layout tools when I see em, but I do believe that if a carpenter mastered the steel square intracies prosthelitized by Fred hisself, he'd be doing well. I betcha that jointers of yore had the same love/hate relationship with architects/designers that exists today. If it got to angle trisecting, I think that this would have taxed most folks then, as now. Cowtown Eric > ++++ End of thread 18808 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18809 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42599 (thread 18809) ---- From: buzzmk Date: 1998-05-03 17:49:00 Subject: Bio - out from under the porch - Buzz Keever Greetings Gallots, I've been lurking for several months now & I guess it's time to come out.... from under the porch. My name is Buzz Keever, 36, married with with one SWHMOette. I'm not a geek, although from time to time when no one is looking I do secretly wear a pocket protector. I'm a tech rep for multinational group of companies - I service, train, sale & install high speed, wide format digital plotters & engineering copiers. Last time mangement sent me businees cards my title was "digital specialist". I have no office or cubicle & I travel quiet heavily - I hit lots antique/junk type places during my travels. I've been working with wood ever since woodshop in highschool - more so the last five or six years. Pertinent facts: 1)Recovering Normite 2)Made my own bench, 2'x6', trestle base, maple, round holes, full tailvise, record side 3)Shamefull owner of many tailed tools of the devil 4)Never hurt myself bad enough in the shop to require an ambulance - usally I can drive myself to the emergency room 5)Semi-bottom feeder 6)Quiet a collec...NO,no,no - a servicable selection of nice old tools....yea, a "selection"... ++++ End of thread 18809 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18810 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42602 (thread 18810) ---- From: Howard Lau Date: 1998-04-28 21:35:00 Subject: Hanging Tool Cabinets - What design? Greetings, I've finally (yeah, finally) been getting around to organizing my shop. I've installed six hanging cabinets with adjustable shelves and a saw rack. Now I'm thinking about how to design the wall cabinet for over the work bench to hold my most used tools. I've been looking at a bunch of designs in different books; FWW The Small Workshop, The Toolbox Book, Hansluck's the Handyman Book, and Engler's Shop Furniture book - okay I admit I own one his books, but I bought it before I knew better. Most designs seem to be three feet high by two feet wide. Now I see Patrick's C.A. Jewett Chest and he says it's four feet high by three feet wide. I'm thinking that may be the dimensions I want. I've got the wall space and the extra storage would be a real plus. Plus with all the drooling I've been doing over the picture Patrick posted, I can make believe that someday I'll fill it with similar tools and have something like that to hand down to my son. How about you others? What dimensions did you follow. Any special features you want to brag about that I can incorporate into mine? I like the inner panels in the Jewett Chest. Look like a great idea. Patrick, how are things like the eggbeater attached to the board? Thanks in advance. ++++ End of thread 18810 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18811 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42607 (thread 18811) ---- From: Steve Noe Date: 1998-05-04 00:11:00 Subject: The right glue for rosewood I picked up a bag o' planes at auction, a couple of weeks ago. (I think I mentioned one with a really unusual iron.) Another is a vee-groove plane, clearly a user made plane, but this time the iron looks "commercial." The plane appears to be rosewood, and has a long crack, extending from the toe to the throat. I failed to save the thread on gluing rosewood, and only recall that it may need to be degreased with acetone. (No problem, the chem lab across the hall has it in 19 liter carboys.) Any sugestions on the right glue - gap filling or regular cyanoacrylate, epoxy, Elmers? Steve Noe, in Indianapolis (who has to remember this is OldTools, not BioLab, so frogs are metal, and do NOT have a gastrocnemius) snoe749@i... ---- Start of Message 42611 (thread 18811) ---- From: Tony Blanks Date: 1998-05-04 01:01:00 Subject: Re: The right glue for rosewood Hi Steve, (Snip) > I failed to save the thread on gluing rosewood, >Any sugestions on the right glue - gap filling or regular cyanoacrylate, >epoxy, Elmers? I have had lots of success with a 2 part acrylic glue which sticks rosewood to rosewood, and rosewood to metal no problem. No dedreasing of the rosewood needed, possibly because of the solvents already in the glue. Its good sticky stuff, but I wouldn't want to be with it in a confined space for too long. Also, it is not a reversible bond. Once it is glued, its there to stay! I'm at work at the moment: I will get the details and post after the FMM flood if you want more info. It is a US made product, so you should be able to find it OK. Regards, Tony B ---- Start of Message 42672 (thread 18811) ---- From: Dave Weisbord Date: 1998-05-04 18:00:00 Subject: Re: The right glue for rosewood >The plane appears to be rosewood, and has a long crack, extending from >the toe to the throat. I failed to save the thread on gluing rosewood, >and only recall that it may need to be degreased with acetone. (No >problem, the chem lab across the hall has it in 19 liter carboys.) > >Any sugestions on the right glue - gap filling or regular cyanoacrylate, >epoxy, Elmers? This goes right back to our discussion of epoxies. Any of the top brands discussed will do, although the Smith products are especially designed for tropical hardwoods. Dave ++++ End of thread 18811 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18812 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42612 (thread 18812) ---- From: BRUCE KANTELIS Date: 1998-05-04 02:17:00 Subject: Finished a project in one day Hello All! No lousy jokes today please.... Started and finished a dog house (not mine, we really do have a dog). This was not your average dog house mind you but a scaled down version to match our arts and crafts house. This little fellow has same construction, tin roof (from the spares for the house) and ornamental trim to match the house. The walls are a little different as I used some t&g cedar I had salvaged. This project also has a little front porch. Well to get it done in a day I broke down and used a tablesaw. Otherwise it was a galoot project. Handsaws to trim all the sides, drawknife all over the place and assorted gouges and chisels to complete. Regards, Bruce Kantelis ++++ End of thread 18812 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18813 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42614 (thread 18813) ---- From: Paul Honore Date: 1998-05-04 02:56:00 Subject: FS: Planes, Chisels, MIsc - May 98 Tools For Sale - May 1998 Usual Old tools terms - I ship - you like - you pay (+ actual shipping charge) You no like - you ship back at your expense. Pictures of most tools are available at http://www.eastconn.com/tools Paul Honore phonore@i... Planes - 1. Stanley 4 1/2 This is a nice Type 7 (ca. 1895). Great patina - good rosewood that needs cleaning, small 1/8" chip missing from side of tote. - approx 75% japanning - $75 2. Stanley 6 - Type 11 - Approx 50% japanning. Usual small chip out of top of tote. owners name lightly stamped in tote and knob, great user - $35 3. Stanley 9 1/2 - Later manufacture - needs the pin for the adj mouth - $12. 4. Stanley 57 - Corebox plane - Patternmaker wannabes, here's your chance. No side extension or turnbuckle. Should clean up nicely. Great knob and tote picture available at http://www.eastconn.com/tools/cb1.jpg was $100. REDUCED to $85 5. Stanley 57 - Corebox plane - Want to make bigger cores? - this one has 1 set of extensions. Early one with nice Beech knob and tote. Approx 60% nickel left. See it at http://www.eastconn.com/tools/cb2.jpg Missing turnbuckle. $200 6. Stanley 148 T & G. 50% nickel remains - all there and ready to go. $60. 7. Stanley 220. Great for a kid's toolbox - $10. ============================================================= Chisels and Slicks (most need some honing) 1. 2" Slick - GEO PARR Buffalo NY. Cast steel. Bright CAST STEEL with a great handle. Repaired crack on back of socket. see it at http://www.eastconn.com/tools/s1.jpg was $55 NOW $45 2. Set of 5 L&IJ White Socket Chisels Steel looks like new - 3/8", 1/2 (both sq edge) 1", 1 1/2", 1 3/4" (bevel edge) Msmts to top of socket and overall respectively - 11", 16; 11", 16 1/2; 11", 17"; 12", 17 1/4"; 12 1/2, 18" Handles are nice hickory replcmts with pounding hoops $115. 3. BUCK BROS - Tang gouges (incannel) Set of 3 - 3/16,1/4,1/2" Handles appear to have been painted black, ferrule missing from 3/16 $35 4. PEXTO Socket Paring Chisels (Bevel edge). 1/8" (8 3/4 to top of socket; 13" overall), 1/4" (8 by 11 ½ overall) $15 EACH 5. SARGENT - Socket firmer chisels (each 1 1/2")- 1 Sargent brand (bevel edge), 1 New Haven Edge Tool (sq edge) (also Sargent made). repairable crack in handle of Sargent. Picture available at http://www.eastconn.com/tools/nh.jpg $15 each. 6. Dickinson & Co - Corner Chisel 1" $30 ===================================================================== Miscelleaneous 1. Miller Falls #207 Bench Drill Press. Single speed, takes up to a quarter inch bit - hand feed. $100 2. Stanley #4 Trammel Points. New in original box with Pop-up display card. Corners of box opposite label are split. Picture available at http://www.eastconn.com/tools/m1.jpg $60 3. North Bros Yankee Screwdriver. (in original box). #30A Someone decided to use masking tape to hold the box together but that was so long ago, the tape dried out and peeled right off. Box is rough but has a great label on the top. No mention of Stanley so this must pre-date the buy-out.. Except for one chip out of the wood and the obligatory drop of paint, it looks almost brand new. With the original three bits. $25 4. Stanley #1 Odd Jobs. Your tool box is not complete without this. Missing the scribe and the ruler is NOT original by any means. See it at http://www.eastconn.com/tools/m1.jpg was $60. NOW $50 =========================================================== Books and Catalogs 1. Millers Falls 1949 Catalog. This is the one that introduced the Buck Rogers line. 176 pages, 5" X 7.5" good condition (slight fading on cover from being left partially covered in sunlight) . was $35 NOW $25 2. Stanley Folding Rules - A History and Descriptive Inventory, by Alvin Sellens. like new was $55 REDUCED to $45 3..Sex, Death, and Fly-Fishing by John Gierach , softcover $5 (how did that get in here?) 4. Tools of The Trade by Jeff Taylor .Great book with pictures and essays on various hand tools. Hardcover, like new $10. 5. Fine Homebuilding - #29-35, 38-47 (17 in all) $2.50 each or $35 for all. ======================================================================== ++++ End of thread 18813 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18814 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42615 (thread 18814) ---- From: FrankSronce Date: 1998-05-04 02:56:00 Subject: FS: Books and Goodies 5/98 Have the following items to sell this month. Books are used but not abused. Need to sell to feed my habit (went to flea market last Thursday). Standard OldTools Terms apply. Stanley No. 39-3/4 dado plane. Type 3, with all parts there and all in good working order. Most of the japanning is still there. A little surface rust on the spurs which will come off easily. $150.00 Stanley No. 39-1 dado plane. Type 2 (Early type with "Number 39" and "1 Inch" in milled out areas on the flat side of the body). Less than half of the japanning is there, and it needs some cleaning up. All parts there and all in good working order with the following EXCEPTION. The right hand spur has a 7/32 inch piece missing from one of the narrow pieces above the bottom spur-holding screw. No. 39s in wider sizes are harder to find. Price on this one lowered because of the spur. $175.00 Keen Kutter jointer gauge. Works like the Stanley #386, but KK did not put a knob on their fence. Upper portion which attaches to your plane has almost all its japanning. The fence itself, with its two Keen Kutter badges, has none. I know little about KK tools, and I can't find the one KK reference I have, so I don't know if this is normal or someone removed 100% of the japanning. In any event, there is none on the fence. $100.00 BOOKS COUNTRY FURNITURE. Aldren Watson, paperback version of Watson's 1974 classic. 274 pages. $13. FWW Techniques: Volumes 1, 2, 3, & 5. Hardback. Read all the articles from the early issues of FWW magazine (in hardback and without the advertising). They stopped publishing these after volume 9, and all have been out of print for years. $25 per volume or $85 for all four. THE WOODWRIGHT'S ECLECTIC WORKSHOP. Roy Underhill, paperback. CC 1991, 238 pages. $10 THE IMPRACTICAL CABINETMAKER. John Krenov (need I say more?), hardback, 1979, 160 pgs. $20 A REVERENCE FOR WOOD. Erick Sloane, paperback, 1965. Some spots on cover, rest of book ok. Thirty-three years ago it sold for $2.95. Now you can have it for $10. ++++ End of thread 18814 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18815 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42616 (thread 18815) ---- From: Patrick Leach Date: 1998-05-04 03:37:00 Subject: FS: Stuff Good Cheap.... In the interest to distinguish me from the pack of FMM marketeers, to assure you the best bang for the buck, and to give you 100% con- fidence in purchasing from tool central, I offer a unique policy. From now on, for any tool that's priced under $100, if I fail to describe it accurately, or it fails to meet your expectations, the tool is on me. Free. Nada. You pay nothing. Remember, we're on the honor system here, and if I start to see a trend developing where free tools are being delivered to the same household, we'll have to have a talk. This list continues the scratch n' sniff, sans staples, color photograph version, where you can actually see images of select stuff here at tool central, where user, collector, and dealer alike shop. All you need do is point and click at the hyperlinks (assuming your mail tool is hip enough) or manually tune your web browser to the link, and you're there to experience the stuff as if it's practically in your hands. Do keep in mind that no image has been altered to remove any unsightly blemish, and that the resolution makes the tools look somewhat dirty - there's a tradeoff between high resolution and slow download time and low resolution and quick downloading. I opted for the latter. If you want a high resolution image of any- thing on the list, just yell - film is cheap for digi-cams. If there is anything in particular that you're after, do ping me as there is a lot of stuff here that isn't on the list; the list just represents a snapshot of the previous month's haul with none of the stuff having appeared on a previous list. Thanks for shopping.............. SATANLEY ******** ST1 Wanna be a patternmaker or just look like one, then this is for you - a choice, complete, and 100% original #57 core box; an early model with patent date embossed behind knob and varnished beech tote and knob; this plane was used once or twice (just like O'deen's tools) and then put away; investment quality for the discerning collector. $545.00 ST2 14 cutters for #50 light duty combination plane; these have the machined backs for the models with the lever adjuster; overall light surface rust (non-terminal) and 1/2" bead has been ground to quarter round. $65.00 ST3 #48 match plane; japanned type 1 model with 75% japanning; light surface rust, original cutters, and will clean up to be nice user or collector. $85.00 ST4 Fence, fence rod, and depth stop for your #78 that has these parts MIA; no thumb screws. $15.00 ST5 #42X saw set in near brand new condition; the one to own.$25.00 ST6 #200 honing jig - perfect tool for newbie you to help you down slippery path to surgical sharp plane irons; 95% nickel plating, dulled and dirty, but will clean. $65.00 ST7 #51 gull wing spokeshave with 90% japanning in u-clean condition; fine worker as is after sharpening. $15.00 ST8 #386 jointer gauge; all original, perfect screws (many are replaced, stripped, or missing), and 70% nickel plating; perfect user. $120.00 ST9 #39 3/4 dado plane; everything 100% and proper; japanning 95%. $155.00 ST10 #112 cabinet scraper - the tool to own for perfect scraping; 90% japanning, good wood, and earlier model with patent date on adjusting nut; replaced blade. $195.00 ST11 #71 router; earlier model with the 1/4" and 1/2" cutters, vernier adjust and throat closing shoe; nickel plating 90%, maple knobs; has a crack in main casting, so snarf it for parts or use it as is. $40.00 ST12 #65 1/2 low angle block plane; identical to the #65 but with common cam-activated lever cap; earlier model from ca. WWI; plane has 90% japanning, little nickel plating, but a lot of energy for happy planing. $45.00 ST13 #92 shoulder/rabbet/chisel/fishing lure plane with 99.99% nickel plating; American-made. $155.00 ST14 #151 adjustable spokeshave; this is the model with the two adjusting screws; japanning 85%. $25.00 ST15 #605 jack plane; this is an extra clean model that dates from WWII (maybe the very last Bed Rock to leave New Britain), and has the thick castings, hardwood, and steel adjuster; extra mass will make this one a true worker; 98% japanning, nearly all exterior machining and scarce. $155.00 ST16 #3 smoother new in original box; rosewood model of Type 19; plane has a few tarnish spots hear and there, but appears unused; box is solid, but has stains on cover; $80.00 ST17 #20 countersink with the normally lost adjustable depth stop; this is a nice tool that fits into your brace and has you countersinking instantly. $30.00 ST18 #28 cornering tool for rounding off sharp edges; some surface rust, with about 60% nickel plating. $10.00 ST19 #203 block plane; these are rather scarce block planes and this one is in very clean condition with 99% japanning; tiny, half a pinhead size bruise at back of mouth is only apology. $85.00 ST20 Defiance No. 432 saw set in original box; the box top has split corners with no tape; tool is mint save for the decal flaking. $20.00 ST21 #442 pressed steel saw set; this is the scarce green paint variant offered for just a year or two; paint is 95% and decal remnants remain on handle; if you collect 'em opportunity knocks. $35.00 ST22 #40 scrub plane; this is a rosewood equipped model and has seen very little use; 98% japanning and finish, it's tough to find them in this condition. $110.00 ST23 #271 router; American-made with 100% nickel. $35.00 ST24 #99 side rabbet with depth stop; tool has 95% nickel plating and is the tougher of the two to find. $110.00 ST25 #98 side rabbet, pre-depth stop model that dates from ca. WWI; 90% nickel that's dirty and dulled on blade side of tool. $65.00 ST26 #40 1/2 scrub plane with replace English laminated iron; plane has 75% japanning, good wood, and is a perfect user. $95.00 ST27 #8 jointer; type 13 with 75% of decal remaining on tote; this plane is 100% original and and retains 99% japanning; no chips or crack anywhere and has 4 small owner's filing marks on toe and right side wall; about as nice a #8 as you could hope to find. $155.00 ST28 #5 jack plane; type 19 with rosewood; factory new. $75.00 ST29 #75 bull nose rabbet plane; handy guy for trimming; nearly all japanning with some surface rust on unpainted surfaces that will clean in 1 minute. $25.00 ST30 #130 double end block plane; this is a type 2, with the patent date cast into the main casting; it also has the patent dates stamped into the iron (something I've never seen before); 85% japanning, with most loss on lever cap; a scarce variant and a usefull tool. $65.00 ST31 #65 knuckle joint low angle block plane in near factory new condition; nicest I've had in awhile; a very popular plane that's getting near impossible to find (undamaged) $95.00 ST31 #7C jointer, type 16; extra clean and nice, this one is in near factory new condition with 98% japanning. $125.00 ST32 #60 1/2 low angle block plane; this one dates from the early 1960's and has the blue finish (don't recoil in horror as block planes from that time are as good as the early ones - the ironclad guarantee guarantees it); in very clean shape with practically all finish. $50.00 ST33 #603 Bed Rock smoother; square side model with 95% japanning; sole has some dings (you're gonna lap it anyway, so who cares?) as do the cheeks, but nothing terminal; a nice user. $145.00 ST34 #5C jack plane in original box (green label sans the orange paper, which they did ca. WWII); box has tape at top of label, plane is factory new. $85.00 ST35 #7 jointer, type 18; near factory new. $120.00 ST36 #92 rabbet/shoulder plane; this one dates from ca. WWI, but has a modern English iron and lever cap (original musta busted); plane has surface rust that'll clean ok; a sound user for the budget conscious. $85.00 ST37 #36 1/2L one-foot two-fold boxwood rule with caliper; in near new condition with just a spot of tarnish above the hinge and near the caliper. $30.00 ST38 #8R round (and blade) for #45; nickel intact but dirty. $30.00 ST39 #10R round (and blade) for #45; nickel intact but dirty. $30.00 ST40 #3 smoother, type 13; in nice condition with good patina; no splitting about base of high-knob; all parts original and proper. $65.00 ST41 #9 1/2 block plane; a sound user that won't win any beauty contests (in the MofA pageant, but probably would be first runner-up on others' lists); all parts proper. $30.00 ST42 #78 rabbet plane in craftsman-made wooden box (suitable for storing and shipping); plane is later model with adjusting lever and is in near factory new condition. $65.00 ST43 #4 smoother, type 13; in overall nice shape with some staining on sole and iron (nothing fatal); good wood, all parts original and proper. $50.00 ST44 #66 beader with both fences and single cutter (router); nickel plating 75%. $65.00 ST45 #2101A brace made for the Bell System; these are real working braces, with full ratchet mechanism and extra heavy duty chuck; everything original and proper with nickel plating 95%; 8" sweep. $45.00 ST46 #20 circular plane; japanning 85%, correct cap iron; no pitting to sole; the best-made. $155.00 ST47 #4 smoothing plane in scarce Christmas box, type 19 with rosewood; plane is crispy clean; box is normal orange box with red Christmas box that slips over the normal box; two corners split out of Christmas box, but no tape. $85.00 ST48 #45 combination plane; sweetheart model that's complete; dirty, but should clean ok as the skates have good nickel plating on them; cutters in their original wooden boxes with labels; a bargain for those with extra elbow grease. $195.00 WOODEN PLANES ****** ****** WP1 Hills&Winship 3/4" dado with screwed stop; a perfect plane ready to yield groovy dados. $55.00 WP2 Unused Primus block plane in original box. $50.00 WP3 M.Copeland 3/4" toted match planes; an uncommon size in days of yore is now your good fortune in today's wood- shop; need a cleaning, but perfectly sound and usable. $75.00 WP4 Extra nice gaboon ebony mitre plane with mahogany wedge; plane measures 11" long and has a single slotted (old makers would use them this way if non-slotted irons were unavailable) 1 5/8" iron; plane does not have the usual splitting about the cheeks and the ebony is sound and dense; there is some shallow splintering at bed that can be left as is or shot smooth (I'd leave it); a real stunning plane; see it at: http://www.supertool.com/forsale/ebony.jpg $135.00 WP5 D&M Copeland slide arm beech plough plane; a nice and clean example that needs the mortices in the body lightly filed to make the arms slide easily; a perfect user. $75.00 WP6 Edward Carter, Troy NY 1/4" bead and 1/4" center bead, both of which are fully boxed; crispy planes with original grungy surface; the center bead's body was too narrow for the maker's mark but it's definitely Carter's work. $80.00 WP7 Union Factory, H.Chapin 1/2" center bead; a nice and clean plane in a nice size. $40.00 WP8 Extra crispy clean, probably used once, 3/4" Grecian ogee and bevel molding plane by Auburn Tool Co.; there isn't a check anywhere on this plane; boxing behind blade has a no harm bruise; profile is penciled on heel; plane is sized for 3/4" stock and cuts a molding 1 3/4" wide; see it at (middle plane): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/wplanes1.jpg $100.00 WP9 P.Brooks 3/4" quirked Grecian ovolo and square; in extra clean condition and as solid as you could hope to find; sized to work 3/4" thick stock, the profile is 1 3/4" wide; 3 small nail holes on bottom of fence; see it at (right plane): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/wplanes1.jpg $95.00 WP10 A.Smith/Lowell 3/8" quirked Grecian ovolo and square in superb condition; a beautiful and solid plane by a scarce Lowell, MA maker; profile works 3/8" stock (or thicker) and cuts 1 1/8" wide; see it at (left plane): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/wplanes1.jpg $95.00 WP11 J.W.Richmond 1" quirked Grecian ovolo and bevel; this is a scarce Maine maker and is in great condition; sized for 1" stock, the width of profile is 1 1/4"; see it at (left plane): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/wplanes2.jpg $125.00 WP12 T.Tileston 3/4" quirked Roman ogee and astragal, a classic profile in a nice size - 3/4" deep by 1" wide; wedge appears to be a very early replacement (wouldn't be able to tell if not familiar with Tileston's work); see it at (middle plane): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/wplanes2.jpg $110.00 WP13 W.Raymond 3/4" quirked Roman ogee and astragal; like the previous, but an earlier example with broad and flat chamfers; lignum boxing, a classic example of the ca. 1800 Beverly, MA maker; see it at (right): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/wplanes2.jpg $135.00 WP14 Nice yellow birch toted round (often called a gutter plane since some were used to hollow out storm gutters) with original beech tote; nice flat chamfers, inlaid diamond strike pad, and measure 16" long; crude maker's mark of "HW" on toe; neat plane. $75.00 WP15 Yellow birch panel raiser that came with WP14; this one has "HW" stamped on toe as well, but it's a different and larger stamp; plane has a crusty dry finish to it, tote is pegged to body, and a metal strike pad at toe; nice hollowed and chamfered wedge; tip of tote broke off and was scarfed long ago; 15" long, good profile to panel (doesn't cut the fillet as is typical of early panel raiser), and has the usual wide mouth. $245.00 MISCELLANEOUS ************* MI1 Been looking for a killer set of chisels? Well, look no further as these are a wet dream come true! 11 magnificent socketed bevel edge Witherby paring chisel in shiney new condition (many have original factory bevel). Sizes are 1/8", 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", 7/8" (actually 13/16" but that was close enough to 7/8" back then), 1 1/4", 1 1/2", 1 3/4", and 2" (1" one must still be with the paint can); all have leather washers on the handle, save for the 2" which saw the most use and has a tatterd handle; crispy sets of quality chisels are near extinct on old tool market. $495.00 MI2 5 killer clean (came with MI2) socketed paring chisels by Sampson (successor to Witherby); 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", 1", and 1 1/4" - great sizes; one handle obvious replacement, and another has mushroomed end; two handles have leather washers. $115.00 MI3 6 steel shrink rules of different metals made by Lufkin, Starrett, and B&S; "R.E.HOLDEN" etch-a-sketched name in them; overall bright and shiney, two with paint; these are nice 1' rules that would really make a convincing case if you bought ST1. $115.00 MI4 Millers Falls' No. 88 jointer gauge; these are less commonly encountered models with the wood knob that can be positioned front or back; japanning 90%; a per- fect alternative to the more expensive #386. $85.00 MI5 Pair of chamfering guides for drawknife; these have 40% nickel plating but retain original spacing rod; great tools for chamfering any square edge in sight. $25.00 MI6 Starrett No. 104 speed indicator in original red box with two tips; shiney and clean, box shows some wear but is sound. $15.00 MI7 Sheffield-made beech spokeshave with plated mouth; 2.5" blade with plenty of life left to it. $30.00 MI8 4 pair of calipers; two inside, two outside; B&S and Starrett; 3 6", 1 5"; sound and ready for use. $35.00 MI9 Cast iron shoe shave with pronounced curve to blade that makes it an affordable alternative to wooden travisher. $20.00 MI10 Graceful and substantial 8" outside calipers with fine adjusting screw; these have extra nice chamfering near the adjusting area; unsigned but look professionally made to my eyes; see it at (rightmost - chamfers don't show in image): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/calipers.jpg $55.00 MI11 Nice 10" dividers with adjustable steel points and fine adjusting screw; these are in fine user condition and a real must for curved layouts; patented May 24, 1887 (Salem Copeland's patent); owner pricked initials near tightening screw; see it at (leftmost): http://www.supertool.com/forsale/calipers.jpg $25.00 MI12 Record 074 shoulder plane; nice and clean example of a popular plane capable of fine shoulder work or general rabbeting. $245.00 MI13 Nice Buck Brothers 6" (blade) spokeshave with fruitwood handles; very scarce size and in clean shape. $75.00 MI14 Millers Falls #1 circular spokeshave; this is the nicest one of these I've had in years, with 95% nickel plating and red paint in mouth; a very clean example of a handy tool. $65.00 MI15 Yankee No. 1555 breast drill with all the bells and whistles and more gears than an 18-wheeler, all of which are in fine working order; price is naturally $55.00 MI16 Saw flatness guage; this is a cross-shaped piece used to test the flatness of saws; measures about 2"x3"; has an adjusting screw to set it, which is different. $10.00 MI17 Millers Falls No. 240 chisel and plane iron sharpener in original red box; this one clamps onto the iron and rolls directly on the stone; both tool and box are crispy clean. $25.00 MI18 Small nickel plated Preston router; measures 6" long, and with two turned knobs; brass ferrules have been polished, and tool has 75% nickel plating; scarce. http://www.supertool.com/forsale/preston.jpg $135.00 MI19 Keen Kutter nickel plated saw set; this is the spring-- loaded job, made by Disston, for setting crosscut saws; nickel plating 98%; clean example for collecting or using. $35.00 MI20 Ohio Tool 036 transitional smoother; these are tough to find in collectible condition and this one is certainly that with much original finish and japanning; globe logo on iron and side grain of tool; a scarce and massive plane. $65.00 MI21 Japanese spokeshave (dunno whether you push or pull it); thing is in sound shape and appears near new save for paint on sole; didn't list this last month as Gunterman moved it on me. $35.00 MI22 Neat little tape measure made to celebrate 50 years of Craftsman's tool (1886-1936); brass body with blue back- ground; metal tap is fine as is paint; some dry crud that will scrape off is on edge of body. $45.00 MI23 Really cool rosewood handled and nickel plated frame coping saw; the blade holder can be adjusted to a par- ticular size length of blade; throat is 12" deep; nickel plating 80% and is flaking in areas; see it at: http://www.supertool.com/forsale/coping.jpg $65.00 MI24 Sargent 408C smoothing plane (equivalent of #3C) in ori- ginal cardboard box; the plane may not ever have been used and just sparkles; the box is all there, has a torn corner, and some paper loss (they covered this with yellow paper) along one side; label is fully readable with just a bit of it missing along bottom; plane dates from 1920's; Sargent stuff is tough to find in original boxes. $175.00 MI25 Ohio Tool Co. 026 transitional jack plane; this is a scarcer variant as it has the red painted casting along with the Auburn, NY location stamped on the iron and in the toe; it's certainly in collectible or usable shape, and if it weren't, it would be lit up in transferno '98. $75.00 MI26 Disston 20" back saw for mitre boxes; this is a ca. WWI example with a perfect applewood tote; saw saw little use, and is still sharp and perfectly straight; etched side is overall bright with some surface rust here and there, other side has more surface rust all of which should clean nicely; back is blued; a quality saw. $55.00 MI27 Disston 12" tenon saw with applewood handle; clean and bright blade, this saw has a perfect handle and dates from ca. WWI; sharp and in far, far better than usual condition. $80.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Leach Just say Tools busting out all over. etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ++++ End of thread 18815 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18816 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42617 (thread 18816) ---- From: Bob and Margaret Johnson Date: 1998-05-03 23:50:00 Subject: FS - May Tools - Part 1 of 2 Greetings from Bob's House of "Rust and Patina Parlor". I have reduced prices on quite a few items. Standard Old Tool terms apply. Thanks for lookin'. A225 Lathing Hatchet Underhill Nice hatchet, Handle needs re-wedging. Very good condition $9.00 A226 Lathing Hatchet Unknown Older model, but good condition. Handle needs re-wedging $9.00 A227 Lathing Hatchet Acme Acme Lathing Hatchet. Handle split, otherwise good condition. $9.00 A255 Ship Carpenter's Adze Unknown Long handled Adze with spike for driving caulking. Very nice condition $35.00 A304 Railroad Adze Unknown Head only. 5" wide blade. Needs sharpening, otherwise in very good condition. $20.00 A305 Hand-forged Field Hoe Unknown Head only. Looks like an adze w/ 3 1/2" wide blade. Only needs sharpening and a handle and you'll ready to attack those weeds. $10.00 A306 Hand-forged Field Hoe Unknown Head only. Looks like an adze w/ 3 1/2" wide blade. Only needs sharpening and a handle. With this you'll be the biggest Hoe'r in town. :^) $10.00 A308 Railroad Pick Unknown Head only. Pitted but will clean up. $5.00 A309 Pickaroon Unknown Head only. Single-ended Blade is narrow but deep. $5.00 A310 Pickaroon Unknown Head only. Single-ended Blade is narrow but deep. $5.00 A317 Miner's Pick Iron City Primative Handle. Head marked "Iron City" inside 6-pointed star. Also marked "Extra Hand Made" $10.00 A319 Field Hoe Forged Hoe with socket for pick type handle. Handle is primative. $9.00 A320 Ice Axe Unknown European design. Handle needs wedge, otherwise very good. Be the first on the lake to have one. $15.00 B419 M-F #2 Eggbeater Drill Millers-Falles 2 Paint is worn and it has a passel of patina. Crack in ferrule, but in perfect working order. Wood will clean up nicely. $15.00 B422 Lineman's Bit Irwin 3/4" x 18" Irwin pattern bit with Hexagonal shank (Designed to fit in po*er* tool) Light rust, otherwise very good $6.00 B423 Lineman's Bit Irwin 3/4" x 18" Irwin pattern bit with Hexagonal shank (Designed to fit in po*er* tool) Light rust, otherwise very good $6.00 B424 Lineman's Bit Irwin 3/4" x 18" Irwin pattern bit with Hexagonal shank (Designed to fit in po*er* tool) Light rust, otherwise very good $6.00 B440 Breast Drill Millers-Falls Unk M-F Breast Drill with 18?? patent date. 17" overall length. This model changes gearing by moving the crank gear between one of two holes. Finish is well worn. Wood handles are in good condition. A good user. $20.00 B445 M-F 1410 Brace Millers-Falls 1410 Wood is very good. Some light rust on metal. $20.00 B451 Brace Unknown 10" sweep. Unusual ratcheting mechanism. A stop on either side of ratchet cog snap in or out. Wood is in good condition with few paint smears. Metal is well patina-ed with some rust but no pitting $15.00 B452 Brace Japan, Inc 10" sweep. Only markings are "Vales" and "Japan". Nickle plating is 80%+. Wood needs refinishing but otherwise good. Please buy it before it takes over the toolshed. $10.00 B459 Breast Drill -NDERES Heavy-duty two-speed breast drill. Crank gear shaft fits in either of two holes to change speeds. Gear is held in place by spring-loaded pins so changing gears is easy. Has ususal compliment of dirt, patinga, and light rust. Will clean up nicely. Nick $20.00 B461 10" Brace Unknown Nickle plating is gone. Wood is OK but needs refinishing. Mechanism works fine. Not pretty, but good user. $10.00 B470 Eggbeater Drill Unknown Colorful. Green handles and red gear disk. Light rust, good condition $10.00 B488 12" Brace Stanley 923 Later version 923. Wood is painted black. Direction adjustment collar is plastic. Some light rust. Normal wear on handles. Good inexpensive user. $12.50 B491 No-name 10" Brace w/ Four-Jaw chuck Unknown Wood and metal will clean up nicely. $15.00 B492 Brace Unknown 10", possibly PS&W. Barber pattern chuck. Wood will refinish nicely. Metal has plenty of patina but will clean up $15.00 B494 12" Brace Stanley 965N Black painted wood needs touching up. Metal has been cleaned, cleaned, cleaned. $20.00 B507 10" Brace Probably Stanley. Wood is very good. Plating is shot. Good user with plenty of that desireable patina $10.00 B508 10" Brace Unknown Wood is good. Metal is dirty, but will clean up. Plating mostly gone. Nice little user $7.50 B509 Model 923 8" Brace Stanley 923 Rosewood is good. Plating is not. Works good. Good smaller size brace $20.00 B510 #732, 10 inch Brace Millers-Falls 732 Wood is good but needs refinishing. Plating shows normal wear but is better than most. Nice heavy-duty tool $20.00 B511 Eggbeater Drill Unknown Unknown Manufacturer. Nice drill with bit storage in handle. Wood is good. Red paint on gear wheel is 60%. Metal parts show very little signs of wear. Overall length 13".. $15.00 B512 #743 Breast Drill Stanley 743 Two-speed with level vial. 16" overall length. Handles need refinishing. Light rust on metal parts. Red paint on gear wheel is 95% intact. This will clean up to be a very nice tool. $30.00 B517 Heavy-duty Chain Drill Millers-Falls The heaviest I have seen. Japanning is 75%. Occasional light rust. Set-screw type "chuck" takes 1/2" or smaller shanks. $20.00 B519 Chain Drill Unknown Two jaw chuck. Loads of patina. No markings, but I would guess it to be older model. $15.00 B535 12" "Sampson" Brace PS&W Patent date 1895. Wood is good except couple of minor cracks in pod. Metal is good with pleasant patina. The wire spring that holds the jaws together is missing, otherwise it is in good mechanical condition. Good collector's tool. $20.00 B567 Handyman Eggbeater Drill Stanley H1220A Very nice condition. Paint is 95+% Decal is intact. Eight original bits included. A great tool for the kids or for you. $20.00 B579 Chain Drill Millers-Falls Heavy duty model in excellent condition. Japanning is 95%. Looks nearly new. A good one. $25.00 DS67 Cabinet Scraper Stanley 80 Fair Condition. Japanning is 50%. Blade is poor. Center thumbscrew is missing. Good user. Ca. 1898 $15.00 DS86 Cooper's Drawknife Unknown Drawknife This is a "Serious" drawknife with a 10" wide by 2 1/8" deep blade. Handles appear to be Hickory. Very good condition wxcept one handle is split and blade has minor nicks. Blade marked "?Simmons" $25.00 DS89 Rib Shave (Like a large two-handed Scorp) Unknown DS Used by butchers to take out pork loins and trim back fat. It is 16" between handles and the curvature is 7" deep. If you have some serious "hollowing" to do, this is the tool. Hickory handles with iron ferrules. Need sharpening, but in good shape. $10.00 DS265 Cooper's Shave Unknown Blade is lightly pitted. Handle has a longitudinal crack.. Will clean up with some work. $10.00 DS363 Stanley #80M Scraper Stanley 80M Near-new condition. Later model. Paint is 99% (only minor scratch). Blade like new. No rust. $35.00 DS378 Stanley #81 Scraper Stanley 81 Excellent condition. Nickle plating is worn on tops of handles but otherwise nearly perfect. Rosewood sole is a replacement and is oversize but can be trimmed. There are minor gouges in this piece. The blade is wrong and will need to be replaced, it i $40.00 DS443 #81 Scraper Stanley 81 This is strictly a user. The plating is shot and there is rust aplenty. A real candidate for electrolysis. The rosewood pad is OK. There is no blade. A good user at a good price. $25.00 DS475 Spokeshave Stanley 151 Japanning is 70%, otherwise very good. $25.00 DS479 "Karpenter" brand drawknife, 12" blade. Winsted Very good condition. A serious drawknife. $25.00 DS480 "Karpenter" brand drawknife, 8" blade. Winsted Paint on handles is worn, otherwise very good $25.00 DS481 10" Drawknife Ohio Tool Metal cap missing from one handle. Plenty of surface rust. Will clean up nicely. $15.00 DS539 9" Drawknife by Beatty of Chester, PA. Beatty & Son Good heavy-duty knife. Light rust but will clean up to very good. Wood handles will clean up to excellent with light sanding and refinishing. $35.00 DS576 Pexto 10" Drawknife Pexto Good useable knife that needs resharpening and some cleanup. Wood and metal both in good condition. $25.00 DS585 Scraper Diamond Edge Imitation of Stanley #80. Japanning is 50%. Needs a healty dose of WD-40, but will clean up to be an excellent user. $20.00 DS586 8" Drawknife Sargent Curved edge. Good knife with plenty of use left in it. Light surface rust and handles need refinishing. $35.00 H191 Plum 16 oz Ball Pein Hammer Plumb Complete with decals on head and handle, this is a newer model in near mint condition $9.00 H194 Copper Hammer Unknown 20-24 oz Copper Hammer. Used in Powder & Gas-works plants because they didn't spark. Head is a beautiful color but the two faces are mushroomed. Hickory handle. May include Beryllium which is hazardous to inhale or ingest. $18.00 H197 Stone Cutter's Hammer Unknown Similar to Cross Pein Hammer. Good Condition $10.00 H201 Claw Hammer Philadelphia Tool 16 oz Claw hammer, handle needs re-wedging, otherwise very good $8.00 H202 16 oz Straight Claw Hammer Unknown Handle needs to be re-wedged, otherwise good. Ca 1920's? $4.00 H203 Welder's Slag Hammer Unknown Wooden handled Slag Hammer. Very good condition $8.00 H205 Slag Hammer Unknown Early Slag Hammer, very good condition $10.00 H206 Shipwright's Caulking Mallet Unknown Caulking mallet with wood head reinforced with iron rings. Very good condition $45.00 H207 Cross-pein hammer Unknown Machinists hammer, about 16 oz. Handle is loose, face is slightly mushroomed. Will clean up to Good + $3.00 H213 Log marking Hammer Unknown Like a small sledge hammer with a raised letter on each face. Used to mark logs. This one has an "H" on the faces and is in excellent condition. $50.00 H214 Log marking Hammer Unknown Like a small sledge hammer, this one has "88" on each side of hammer rather than on face. Good condition $35.00 H215 Bushing Hammer Unknown Stoneworker's hammer with raised pyramid pattern on faces. Used for flattening bumps on stone. Approx 8 lb head. Very good condition $25.00 H216 Bushing Hammer Unknown 3-4# head, 30" handle. Stoneworkers hammer. Also good for concrete work $20.00 H224 Brick Hammer Unknown Good Condition, Handle needs to be re-wedged $10.00 H416 Slater's Hammer (Zax) Unknown Home-made with leather washer handle. Head and shank are somewhat pitted. leather rings on handle are uneven. Good useable condition. $10.00 H483 Assay hammer? Unknown Odd hammer with cross-pein face and long, tapered round pick. Sort of like a rock hammer but lighter. My guess is it may have been used in assay work. Handle is a little loose but otherwise very good condition. $17.50 H484 Small Pein Hammer Unknown Probably 6-8 oz. Handle needs re-wedging, otherwise very good. $12.50 H513 Cobbler's Hammer Head Unknown Nice clean head. Just what you need for adjusting those plane blades. Add your own handle and start tappin' $7.50 H514 Cobbler's Hammer Head Unknown Slightly larger than most I've seen. 1" x 1" in cross section and 3" overall length. Face is slightly mushroomed. Will clean up to a nice "precision adjusting tool" $5.00 M75 Owner-mde Bevel Guage Unknown Bevel Guage 12" Oak Bevel Guage with Brass blade. Very well made and in excellent condition $25.00 M77 Chapin-Stevens #252 Marking Guage Chapin-Stevens Marking Guage Brass-trimmed Boxwood. Slight split in sliding piece, otherwise very good. CA 1915 $35.00 M81 Boxwood Marking Guage Unknown Marking Guage Factory made marking guage with printed "ruler" on beam, brass wear plates on face, and wooden thumb screw. End of beam is cracked thru pin hole. Otherwise very good condition. $15.00 M107 30" Draftsman's T-Square K & E T-Square Excellent Condition. $10.00 M 121 Brass, Nickle plated Beam Dividers Unknown Beam Dividers Nice set with one point and one inking pen. One holder has fin screw adjustment. These are in a leather-covered, felt lined, french-fitted case. Dividers are in excellent condition, on small area of corrosion on one piece. Box is worn at edges and fa $30.00 M134 Boxwood Folding Rule, 24" Lufkin 751 Ca. 1918. Fair condition. Brass aligning wires bent or missing. One side of two segments is faded $10.00 M389 4" Outside Calipers Unknown Nice pair. Marked with owner's initials but no manufacturers mark. Adjusting nut is knurled brass replacement. Light rust on threads and tool needs cleaning. $8.00 M412 Folding Rule Stanley 163 Stanley 4-fold 2' Rule. 1/8, 1/10,1/12 scales plus architect's 1/4,1/2, and 3/4 scales (for measuring from blueprints. Some paint chipping, but scales all readable. Alignment pins missing. An inexpensive, but handy rule $10.00 M464 #680 4-fold, 2 ft. rule. E. C. Simmons Redline Stained in places, but markings are readable. All alignment pins missing. marked in 1/8ths on one side and 1/16ths on other. $10.00 M471 Architects Rule Stanley 53 1/2 Four-fold, two-foot folding rule with architects scales on one side and 8ths and 16ths on the other. Outside faces have very minor scratches and dirt. Otherwise very good condition. $75.00 M536 Triangular Engineer's Rule Gramercy Pearwood. Made in Germany. 6 scales. Pukey yellow color. Minor dings from normal use, but paint and markings are 99%. $5.00 M548 12" Combination Square Corsair New in the plastic bag with label. Made in U.S.A. With level and scribe. Graduated in 1/8, 1/16, and 1/32. New condition. $10.00 M550 Bevel Guage Stanley 18 The all-steel model. This one has very light surface rust but will clean up nicely. $5.00 M551 4-fold, 3 foot rule Stanley 56 1/2 Sweetheart trade mark. Numbers on outside are faded and hard to read. Markings on inside are clear. $5.00 M552 American Standard Wire Guage Brown & Sharpe 688 Circular guage for measuring wire sizes and thickness of metals. Good for measuring drill bits. Excellent condition except owner painted his initials on it. $10.00 M553 5" Outside Calipers Millers Falls Very good condition except owners name has been engraved. $7.50 M554 6" Outside Calipers Unknown No markings. Some surface grime, but basically good condition. $5.00 M555 3" outside Calipers L S Starrett Bow-legged variety. Some surface grime, but good condition $7.50 M565 Rosewood Bevel Guage Unknown Wood is nice, but blade has rust spots that will clean up without pitting. Not a quality tool, but functional. $10.00 M578 Rosewood Bevel Gauge 8" Unknown Unknown manufacturer. Stainless steel blade. Wood and metal in very good condition. Only needs light cleaning. $10.00 ++++ End of thread 18816 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18817 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42618 (thread 18817) ---- From: WLGhio Date: 1998-05-04 00:09:00 Subject: FS PLANES Stanley #100 1/2 Squirrel tail patternmaker's Plane, made 1936-1962. Radiused front to back and aside to side. This plane is pristine. Never been sharpened. Japanning slightly chipped under the squirrel tail right at the base of the sole. $110.00 Stanley #13 Circular Plane. This is a veteran, made between 1871 and 1909. Japanning is about 70-80%, about what you would expect for a plane that has been around for a hundred years. This one has the lateral lever, so dates after 1885. If you like patent dates, this one's got them all: 6-17-79 for the dovetailed sole; 4-19-92 for the blade and "Bailey's Patent Dec. 24, 1867" on the chipbreaker. $120.00 Stanley #5. This is one of the post-War wonders with the thick varnish, but other than that it is a Good + plane. $38.00 STARRETT DIAL INDICATOR Dial test indicator catalog #196A. This is the jeweled dial Reading to .001. The set is complete w/ all attachments, the original hard case and the original box. Even has the inspection slip included when the thing was packed at the factory. Condition is excellent. $60.00 BOOKS The Wheelwright's Shop by George Strurt. Cambridge University Press, 1930, (the original having been published in 1923), 115 pages. This is an somewhat abridged version that was intended for use in the schools. Chapters are: The Wheelwright's Shop Timber: Buying Timber: Carting and Converting The Sawyers Timber: Seasoning "Wheel Stuff" Hand-Work "Bottom-Timber" Waggons Curves, Tapering and Shaving Learning the Trade Wheels: Dish Wheels: Spokes and Felloes "Stocks" and Ringing the Wheel" The Smith: "Getting Ready" The Smith: "Putting On and Boxing-On" Iron-Work and Jobbing Condition of the book is good, there being slight damage along one edge of the spine. $25.00 ABC's of the Steel Square and its Uses. Fred T. Hodgson >From the preface: "Being a condensed compilation from the Copyrighted works of Fred T. Hodgson, author of "The Steel Square and Its Uses," Practical Carpentry" and numerous other works on building and construction." This may be the condensed version, but it still runs 135 pages of geometric tricks you can perform with a steel square. Hardbound. $8.00 MITER BOX PARTS Not sure what this is called. Fits a Goodell-Pratt miter box and most likely some of the early MF boxes. It is a 3 1/2 inch tall, 3/8 dia. post that projects vertically. It holds the piece being cut in place by clamping it to the backface of the saw table. Handy little accessory that was supposed to come w/ your saw, but is missing in 90% of the ones I have seen. The base, technically a polygon but looks like a triangle w/ two truncated corners, slides in the V shaped groove at the end of the surface on which you bed the piece to be cut. If you own the Goodell-Pratt miter box and ever wondered what the two V's were for, this is the answer. I have two available, but you will have to fashion your own clamps. $5.00 each. MARKING GAUGE The (non-tool) dealer I picked this up from had it out as a 'whatsit' Said it came from a load of stuff picked up at the site of an Oregon shipwreck from the last century. Not a story I would buy, but an intriguing piece all the same. It is a hand-made double beam marking gauge. The pin on each beam faces outward and the 'D' section beams are about 11" long. They pass through the 3/4 face of a 3 3/4 x 2 x 3/4 inch block that serves as the fence and lock with a rather elaborate three-piece wedging system that locks both sides simultaneously. The patina is such that I can't identify the wood. In fact, it needs a good cleaning. This is purely an interest item, both beams have splits at the pin such that I wouldn't trust it for use. $5.00 Standard Oldtools terms. Bill Ghio wlghio@a... bghio@t... ++++ End of thread 18817 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18818 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42619 (thread 18818) ---- From: Bob and Margaret Johnson Date: 1998-05-04 00:06:00 Subject: FS - May List - Part 2 of 2 MBLP439 Capewell Block Plane P. S. & W Block Similar to Stanley 110. Blue japanning on body and nickle on cap are in excellent condition. Paint smear on one side will remove easily. A rugged little plane. Capewell was a trade name of Peck, Stowe and Wilcox. $15.00 MBLP468 Stanley 9 1/2 Block Plane Stanley 9 1/2 Japanning mostly gone. Very light rust. Light cleaning will yeild a good user $15.00 MBLP562 Block Plane Stanley 19 2-18-13 patent date. Type 12. Knuckle cap block plane. Sole is pitted and there is a small chip out of side at rear. Otherwise very good condition. Good user plane for those of you who favor the knuckle-block style. $30.00 MBP186 Stanley "Defiance" #3 Smooth Plane Stanley #3 Vertical crack in knob, both knob and tote need refinishing, lots of light surface rust. In short, a damn good piece. $10.00 MBP359 Shelton #4 Old-Style Smooth Plane Shelton #4 Old-style Shelton with adjusting screw build into blade cap. Ca. 1920's. Excellent Condition $25.00 MBP360 Revenoc 5 1/2 Jack Plane Stanley 5 1/2 Made by Stanley for Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett. "Revenoc" trademark on blade. Wood is excellent (Rosewood). Bed has been repainted. Metal is excellent. $40.00 MBP478 Jointer Plane, type 11 Stanley 7c Tip of tote has been neatly removed. Japanning is 80%. Wood is very good. Metal is very good. $60.00 MBP496 Sargent Jack Plane Sargent Metal is good except for some surface rust and paint. Tote has clean, repairable break. Wood needs refinishing. $25.00 MBP497 #6 Foreplane, Type 15 Stanley 6 Plenty of rust and patina. Light chipping on front edge of lever cap. Tip off tote but knob good. Good user $35.00 MBP498 #6 Foreplane, Type 15 Stanley 6 Wood needs refinishing, japanning is 80%. Plating on lever cap is worn. Will clean up to very nice plane. $65.00 MBP500 Later model 605 Stanley 605 Frog has been broken and well repaired. Doesn't affect performance. Tip off tote. Tote toe screw is improper replacement. Blade marked "made in Canada". Lever cap may be a replacement. Other than that, it's a good user at a good price. $40.00 MBP559 7C Type 11 Jointer Plane Stanley 7C Very nice low-knobber. Rosewood and metal are very good. Japanning is 80+ %. Area of rust near toe will clean up. $70.00 MISC165 Miter Jack Unknown Rare & Unusual tool. Sort of a combination miter clamp and shooting board, used to make miter joints. A series of walnut triangular pieces slide on a walnut base with a wood screw clamp made of Hickory. Ca 1840. $85.00 MISC166 Spanish style hand Adze Jaguar Adze This device consists of an adze blade with shank connected to wooden handle with steel stirrup and wedge. Blade is in excellent shape. Handle is rough , having split and been repaired. $40.00 MISC218 Butteris Unknown Farrier's Tool for trimming hooves. One piece iron. Needs wooden handle $8.00 MISC232 Tool Holder Unknown 5 1/2" long tool holder with winged chuck nut. Handle is boxwood? with only 1 minor chip. Overall condition is very good. Only one tool. $5.00 MISC264 Farrier's Hoof Knife Wooden handle, brass tang, could be reground for a nice marking knife $5.00 MISC266 Homemade Caulking Iron Unknown 12" overall length, 5 1/2" blade. One piece iron w/ octagonal handle. Stamped N.F.E. Co. Good condition. $3.00 MISC273 Branding Iron Everhot 17" long w/ wooden handle marked "Everhot". Has 1" high letter "M" at the business end. So if your initial is "M", you have to have this to mark your work, possessions, kids, etc. $10.00 MISC293 Chatillon Upholster's Button Needle Chatillon Heavy 16" long awl with spear point and "eye" near point. Used for installing buttons on upholstered furniture. Nicely turned wood handle. $15.00 MISC299 Concrete Edger & Divider Various 1 Concrete edger and 1 Concrete Divider (Seamer?) Good useable tools for those of you who like to play in the mud. $10.00 MISC322 Tobacco Plug Cutter P.J. Sorg. Spearhead model. Mounted on a board. Looks sort of like a mitre trimmer. $20.00 MISC323 Steelyard Unknown These are hanging "balances" for weighing smaller items. This one has two hooks and two scales. Very good condition. $45.00 MISC324 Homemade Steelyard Unknown Balance Scale for weighing. Very well made. Good condition. Not legal for trade :^) $40.00 MISC325 Homemade Steelyard Unknown Balance Scale for weighing. Very well made. $40.00 MISC326 Cooper's Flagging Iron Unknown Used to spread the staves for caulking. Very well made. Excellent condition. $32.00 MISC327 Cooper's Flagging Iron Unknown Home made flagging iron. Good condition. $25.00 MISC329 Gasoline Blowtorch Unknown No manufacturer's mark on this anywhere. It's been shined up. Ready for your lamp-making pleasure. $20.00 MISC330 Gasoline Blowtorch Clayton&Lambert Good working condition. Decal is 95%. Will shine up nicely. $15.00 MISC331 Gasoline Blowtorch Turner Brassworks Good working condition. Will shine up nicely. $15.00 MISC401 Hay Knife Unknown 4" wide x 20" long blade. 16" hickory handle. Pitted but useable. $10.00 MISC429 Wiss Tin Snips Wiss 9 12 1/2" long, old-style snips. Good condition. Owners name stamped in inside of one handle. $5.00 MISC542 5" Hand Grinder Unknown Nice little grinder. One-piece cast iron housing, open so gear is exposed. Wheel is in good condition. No tool rest but you can fix that. $30.00 MSP123 Stanley #50 Beading or Combination Plane Stanley 50 Patent Date 8-11-03 and "B" Casting mark on frame and fence. Seven cutters + T&G cutter. Condition is Very Good. Nickle plating is 80% on main frame, goon on fence. Slitting cutters are good. No depth stop $100.00 MSP127 Union #42 Match Plane Union 41 Similar to Stanley #48, Very good condition. No cutters. $35.00 MSP240 Stanley #46 Type 10/11 Stanley 46 Nice combo plane, nearly complete, and in very good condition. Has all parts except slitting blade, rear depth stop, and wing nut. Has 7 plough cutters and 1 tongue cutter. Plating is 80%. Rosewood is excellent. $250.00 MSP241 1Box of Cutters For Stanley 55 (#2Box) Stanley 55 Box #2, 12 Cutters. #13 & 14 Plough missing, #18 1/2 Plough added. #1 Fillitster & #5 Match included. Box label is worn and stained but completely readable. Box has no top. Blades in very good condition w/ only light rust. $75.00 MSP473 Scrub Plane Stanley 40 Sweetheart blade. Japanning is 60%. Owner name scratched in side. Wood will refinish to excellent. $75.00 MSP520 Scrub Plane Stanley 40 Wood is good except owners initials lightly carved in top of tote and repairable crack at base of knob. Japanning is 80%. Otherwise metal has only normal dings. Blade is marked "Stanley/Rule & Level" which marks this as an earlier (Pre-Sweethart) model $75.00 MSP544 Type 4 Combination Plane Stanley 45 Early model with front knob on main plane. Floral pattern. Nickle is darkened with age and well worn on skates. Rosewood is good but could use a refinishing. Wingnut holding cutter is missing one wing. Front and rear depth stops but no slitter. One $150.00 P278 24" Pipe Wrench New Britain A manly wrench and just the thing for those "honey do" projects. Jaw serrations somewhat worn, otherwise just normal dings and patina $10.00 P280 Automotive "Monkey" Wrenches - Set of 4 Various 4 wrenches, various mfr, including Ford. All in very good condition $15.00 P282 Wooden-Handled Pipe Wrenches Various Set of 4 Wooden-handled pipe wrenches by Stillson and ohers. Sizes: 8,10,10,14. All in good conditions except 1 10" has cracked handle $35.00 P283 8" Pipe Wrench Unknown 8" pipe wrench. Ca 1930's. Good condition. $8.00 P284 Fulton 14" Pipe wrench Fulton Good condition. $5.00 P285 Stillson 14" pipe wrench Stillson Very good condition $10.00 P286 Pexto 14" Pipe wrench Pexto $10.00 P287 Combination Pipe & Monkey Wrench Bemis & Call Another one of those weird combinations. Wooden handle, double jawed. 14" pipe wrench and monkey wrench. Metal parts have been painted red. Otherwise good condition. $10.00 P288 10" Nippers Unknown Dated 1878. Replaceable cutters. Flat-faced. Good tool. Good condition. Good price. $10.00 P289 8" Rod-busters Pliers Unknown These are meant for twisting and tying wire. Good condition. $5.00 P290 Ford Open-end wrenches, Set of 5 Ford Set of 5 open-end wrenches marked "Ford". Good condition. $20.00 P291 Auto Kit Wrench Unknown Combination 5/8 open-end and 9/16" box wrench marked "Auto Kit 100" $4.00 P300 Ford Wrenches Ford Tool Kit Wrenches from Ford Automobiles. Some are open-end/box combination and some are open-end/socket combination. I have several of each. Your choice $5 ea. $5.00 P332 Set of 3 Nippers Unknown Set of 3 nippers. 2 are 8" long, 1 is 10". Condition good. $18.00 P348 14" pipe wrench Stillson Teeth in lower jaw show some wear, but otherwise in good shape $5.00 P432 7" Pipewrench F.E. Wells & Son Small, wooden handled pipewrench. Patina and very light rust, otherwise very good condition $7.50 P433 12" Pipewrench Unknown Wooden-handled. Several repairable cracks in handle. Dirty and light rust. $5.00 PUB521 Elements of Computer Mathematics-Talbot/et al Brooks/Cole OK, so it's not a tool book. I thought you bit-twiddlers might be interested. Designed as an introductory text for those in computer-related fields. Hard cover, 1985 $7.50 PUB522 Furniture you can make Sunset 1972 Sunset Book on making furniture. Worth it for the outdoor and children's furniture. $5.00 PUB523 Sunset Ideas for Leisure Rooms Sunset 1975 Sunset Book. Good ideas for home offices, dens, art studioos, shops, sewing rooms, etc. that only need updating to 90's fashions. $5.00 PUB524 Sunset - Things to Make for Children Sunset Things to entertain kids including doll houses, sandboxes, birdhouses, games, etc. 1967. $5.00 PUB525 Great Possibilities for your Home Georgia-Pacific Remodelling and furniture projects using wood (surprise). 1979. Worth the price for the section on patio covers and decks if nothing else $5.00 PUB526 The Practical Book of Built-in Furniture Grammercy 1959. Hardcover. You'll chuckle over the designs but the How-to section does have some good info for the beginner who only has hand tools. $5.00 PUB527 Popular Science Home Guide to Plumbing, Heating, Harper & Row and Air Conditioning. 1967. Some of the material is dated, some is not. Good coverage of the subjects and a handy reference. $5.00 PUB528 Popular Science How to Build Your own Furniture Harper & Row R. J. DeCristoforo, 1965. The Ol' master of P*w*r tools shows you how. Basic treatise on carcase construction, plus doors, tables, chairs. For the beginner, there's no Tage Frid hiding in these pages. $5.00 PUB529 Industrial Arts Woodworking Bennett John Feirer, 1965. School text by the ol' master. Good info for the beginning to intermediate woodworker. Covers design, hand and power tools, joints, finishing , upholstery, etc. 431 pages hardbound $20.00 PUB531 Manual Training for Common Schools Scribner 1910. Design, joints, use of hand tools, finishing, including how to brew your own finishes. Lots of photos of your favorite tools. $20.00 PUB532 Woodwork, A Basic Manual, 1974 Little, Brown A little of this and a little of that about woodworking, but nothing in depth. A shallow examination of the art. The only redeeming feature is some photos of some well-designed and well-made pieces. $5.00 PUB533 Insulation & Weatherstripping, 1979 Sunset The title says it all. How to make your joint tighter and warmer. $5.00 PUB534 Antique Tools, An illus. value guide. Collector Books 1975. Hand-drawn illustrations of a wide variety of tools along with 1975 prices. Comb-bound. Worth it if you want to know what a cant-hook or a buttress look like. $5.00 S104 Home-made "Turning" Saw Unknown Owner-made saw with 1/2" x 12" hacksaw blade $10.00 S248 Oak Turning Saw, 3/4" Blade Unknown Very good condition $25.00 S275 Chatillon #350 Meat Saw Chatillon Light rust on frame. Handle is in very good condition. Blade is 5/8" x 22". $25.00 s276 Meat Saw Unknown Very old meat saw in nice condition. Blade is 3/4" x 23". Handle has a repairable crack. $20.00 S343 Keyhole Saw Unknown Small keyhole saw with metal handle. good conditi $5.00 S396 Backsaw and Folding Miter Box Bishop Saw is marked Geo. H Bishop on blade and back. Patend Date 1906. Blade is toothed on two sides and one end. Blade is locked into handle with a lever. Miter Box is 3 pieces of wood hinged together. Center piece has adjustable metal guides for 45 and 9 $75.00 S427 Millers-Falls #12 Hacksaw Frame Millers Falls 12 Good, heavy duty hacksaw frame (w/ blade) Light rust. Bakelite handle grips. $5.00 S485 Sawset Unknown Probably a taintor. Japanning mostly worn off, light surface rust. and pin holding dial knob has been replaced with a small nail (which works very well). Nevertheless a good workable set. $12.50 S486 Sawset Unknown A different type of sawset. The anvil is angled and is adjusted up or down via an adjusting screw. A locking nut holds is secure. Japanning mostly gone. Light surface rust. $20.00 S540 22" skew back tool crosscut saw. Disston D-8 4-screw model. "10" stamped in heel of blade. Blade has light rust but will clean up nicely. Handle is good + condition but needs refinishing. Will make excellent toolbox saw. $25.00 S569 Crosscut Disston 8 7 point saw with wheat-motif handle. 5-screw. 26" long, 1 1/2" wide at tip and 6" wide at handle. Blade has some surface rust. Handle needs refinishing. $15.00 S573 Disston D-8 Rip Saw Disston 8 5 point, 5 screw. Skew back. Finger hole handle. Wood and metal both very good. Light surface staining on blade and handle has repairable crack and needs refinishing. $20.00 S574 Disston Rancher Disston R-1 10-point crosscut, 26". Laminated beechwood handle. 4-screws. Blade needs cleaning. Handle shows some light checking on one side and needs refinishing. Good utility saw. $12.00 S575 Handyman Crosscut saw Stanley 1526 26", 8 point. Birch handle with wheat motif. Blade has some light surface rust. Handle needs cleaning. Good toolbox saw. $8.00 SL111 Stanley Handyman 24" level Stanley H-1294 A modest little level in good condition. Metal plate over vial is tarnished. Trademark is excellent. Good level for the kids or for rough work, where you don't want to risk a fancy level.` $7.50 SL112 48" Mason Level American 75181 Brass-trimmed Mahogany level. Curved vials indicate is of later manufacture. Perfect working order, but not pretty. $20.00 SVY97 Walnut Plumb Bob Unknown Plumb Bob Nicely turned Walnut Plumb Bob 3" long x 3/4" diam. Excellent condition except has slight groove around perimeter near point, and point is slightly dinged. The perfect desk ornament for the Galoot. Or, make it into a Bolo Tie :^) $15.00 SVY99 Home made Brass Plumb Bob Unknown Plumb Bob Nicely turned from 3/4" Brass Rod. Very Good condition. Has initials "J.F." stamped in side $20.00 WBP23 Wooden Fore Plane Unknown Fore Wood is excellent with no cracks or checks. Iron has been slightly mushroomed at rear. $30.00 WBP24 Wood Jointer Plane Unknown Jointer Gorgeous beechwood plane with Walnut Burl handle set off center. Atkinson Bros. double iron. Iron dowel set in front . Some slight checking on body. Handle cracked but repairable. Iron mushroomed slightly. $40.00 WBP26 Wooden two-man Jack Plane Unknown Jack Unusual. Has two "handlebars" dovetailed into body so two people could use it two-handed. Double iron by Sandusky. Body is birch with minor checking. Wedge is home made. Iron is in very good condition $35.00 WBP27 Beech Horned Smoother Unknown Smoother Body is laminated from about 7 pieces of beech, not counting horn. Good shape except minor checking and small piece chipped out in front of horn. Double iron marked "Humphreysville. . ." is obviously early vintage but in good shape $35.00 WMP38 J. W. Farr 5/8" Beechwood Rounder J. W. Farr Rounder rounder made by James W. Farr, dated 1832-1851. Wood and metal in excellent condition. $35.00 WMP45 1/2" Hollow Compass Moulder A. Geddes Hollow Compass Unusal. Wood and metal are excellent. Small piece broken off tip of wedge. Deep chamfer on edges is suggestive of 18th century specimens $40.00 WMP48 1 3/8" Cherry wood Rabbet Unknown Rabbet Very nice home made rabbet. Wood is excellent. Still has saw marks on nose end. Blade is very heavy and not tapered. Wedge is wide and flat. Good dispay or user item. $30.00 WSP377 Coopers Sun Plane Ohio Tool This plane is absolutely gorgeous! It is a dark wood with highly figured grain. There is very minor checking here and there and one 3" long check on one side near the sole which does not affect performance, and a small patch of rough grain on the sole $85.00 Y372 Yankee Screwdriver North Brothers 30 Plating is worn and handle has a few dings. Otherwise good working condition. This is the large model about 18" long. $12.00 Y381 Yankee Screwdriver #130A Stanley 130A Excellent condition. Plating is intact and shows only light wear. Wood handle has paint chipped around bottom edge and around largest diameter, otherwise perfect. This is the best of these I have seen. $25.00 Y382 Yankee Screwdriver #130A Stanley 130A Good condition. Plating is worn, but still more "silver" than "gold". Wood handle is dinged but will refinish nicely. Good working condition. $15.00 Y384 Yankee Screwdriver North Brothers 31A This is slightly larger than the 130A and has a thicker barrel and shaft. Plating is worn. Finish is worn off handle and there are minor rust spots on the chuck. Otherwise in very good condition. Works perfectly. $20.00 Y404 M-F Spiral Ratcheting Screwdriver Miller's-Falls 61A Excellent Condition. Plating is nearly 100%. Wood has only minor dings. $20.00 Y406 Spiral Ratcheting Screwdriver Miller's-Falls 61 Nice tool. Plating is 80+ %. Wood handle is dinged and needs refinishing. Overall Good+. $15.00 ++++ End of thread 18818 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18819 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42620 (thread 18819) ---- From: Chuck Zitur Date: 1998-05-04 04:13:00 Subject: FS stuff Yo Galoots Its May and the rites of spring have us chasing the elusive gloat from auction to garage sale to flea market. Hope you all have good luck. Here are some newer items for you. Same twisted terms--like Old Tool Standard Terms with review on large sales to unknown people. As usual I will be busy trying to buy a lot of things from others but will get back to you as quickly as possible. My email is anchor@m... I have jpegs of most of these items. Let me know if you want to see them. Wood Planes FWP2 A. Howland & Co NY marked on the front and #73 3/4 marked on the tail of this handled groove plane. It has been dipped and stripped but can still be hip (Sorry) The blade has some rust on it but the business end is okay. The metal fence surface is pitted but operable $19.00 FWP3 An 8" coffin smoother marked 3 on the front. The 2" Moulson Bros cutter is in good shape. Inset strike button on the heel. Wood is fine with no cracks. $14.00 FWP4 A small 7" by 2" coffin smoother with a brass wear plate on the bottom held on with 23 tiny screws. A lignum vitae striking button on the top front. The blade is worn down but still usable. Cheek cracks on both sides. $22.00 FWP5 A Greenfield Tool Co (1851 to 1883) 7/8" #238 skew rabbet plane. The slitting cutter at the front is lacking its wedge. The iron is pitted but ok at the working end. Has a brass screw held depth stop. Wood is uncracked. $19.00 FWP6 R&C CARTER TROY (NY 1847 to 1848 ) 3/4" groove plane. 2 age cracks at the front. The metal fences are pitted but mostly smooth. $22.00 FWP7 R&C CARTER TROY (NY 1847 to 1848 ) 3/4" tonguing plane with integral fence. Great shape with exception of steel face that has some pitting. Wm Ash and Co cutter. $22.00 FWP9 A 1.75" skew rabbet plane. Markings are worn away. Has been stripped and refinished but other wise good. $17.00 FWP11 R&C CARTER TROY (NY 1847 to 1848 ) 3/8" single boxed bead molding plane. The rear boxing is missing but other wise this in good condition. $15.00 FWP12 R&C CARTER TROY (NY 1847 to 1848 ) 1/2" single boxed bead molding plane. Other than a chipped area on one side this is in great shape with a Ash iron. $22.00 FWP13 R&C CARTER TROY (NY 1847 to 1848 ) 5/8" single boxed bead molding plane. The rear boxing is broken but all there. Just needs a little glue. There is a 3/4" depression on the fence side which will not affect performance. $17.00 FWP14 R&C CARTER TROY (NY 1847 to 1848 ) 3/4" single boxed bead molding plane. Real sweet shape. $22.00 FWP15 A TUCKER & APPLETON (1868 to 1871) 1/2" skew dado plane. This has been refinished so has a bleached appearance. The main wedge has been replaced with a plain looking but effective piece of oak. Has a slitter blade and thumbnut controlled brass depth stop. $20.00 FWP16 D. COPELAND (Hartford Conn c. 1820) 1/2" single boxed bead plane. The rear boxing is cracked but all there. Wear at edges. Wedge is frazzled at top. Otherwise good. $20.00 FWP17 UNION FACTORY WARRANTED H. CHAPIN (1829 to 1866 New Hartford Conn) This appears to be a 3/4" nosing plane. Wear at edges and the top of the wedge is fuzzy but other wise all there. $16.00 Metal Planes A Bedrock 604 1/2 smooth.(Type 6 or 6A) This was painted blue when I got it but was able to remove the paint. Still has about 85% japanning or better. The front knob is an undamged proper replacement. Tote is unbroken and uncracked. Dings and scratches in various areas just from hanging around as it has. The lateral adjustment lever was missing. I have removed one from a #5 same vintage plane. There is not enough pin left to peen over so that will have to be replaced. Sweetheart blade has some mushrooming at top from being hammered (?) $185.00 A Fulton smooth plane. This is a Sargent #407. (#2 size) All complete and unbroken. Needs some cleaning and some paint drops removed. At least good maybe good plus. Part of a Fulton decal left on tote. I will guesstimate this to be 1940's vintage. The Heckel book says that these go from $200.00 to $400.00 but you can have this for $110.00 Another Fulton (#407 Sargent) smooth plane the same as the one before. Also needs some cleaning but still deserves a good or better rating. This one $95.00 Stanley #75 bullnose plane. Has about 75% paint and very little corrosion. C. 1950's $25.00 Langdon Mitre Box Co #88 Perfection jointer gauge for iron planes. These were distributed by Millers Falls for years having purchased Langdon in 1876. This has about 50% paint and rust on bare surfaces that will mostly clean off. All original parts. $58.00 Drills or Braces Stanley #617 egg beater drill. Has a solid main gear with orange paint and a part of the Stanley Tools decal. Needs cleaning but only 70% of nickel plating will remain. $19.00 Saws A Stanley backsaw 28" x 5" marked on the blade STANLEY MITER BOX SAW MADE EXPRESSLY FOR STANLEY RULE AND LEVEL PLANT NEW BRITAIN CONN USA BY HENRY DISSTON AND SONS PHILADELPHIA PA USA The blade has a golden patina that easily polishes off. This saw shows the marks of sliding through the mitre box guides but otherwise was not much used. No pits and the blade will polish to brand new appearance Only fault is a tiny hang hole drilled at the toe of the spine. Handle is 100% but it looks like it was properly refinished at some point. $38.00 A Disston D-8 8 tip with a 100% readable logo. The saw has some dark areas that will clean up with out any pitting. The handle is unbroken, unchipped and uncracked. The only faults are some paint spots and the letters MD carved into the handle. C. 1925. $15.00 A Simonds Docking Saw with a 30" blade. These were used for rough sawing in the construction and shipping trades. This one was not used as the logo is still very readable. I doubt that you could find much in the way of pits on this. Cast iron handle has all of its original finish. 4 tpi. $35.00 A 3" by 3/4" sharpening stone in a leather case marked SIMOND'S GRINDING WHEELS PHILADELPHIA 37, PA Logo is about 80% there. Stone was not used much. $7.00 Patented April 10 1917 is marked on the instructions that are included with this Simonds No 342 Saw Tool. This is the 3 piece set for jointing,filing, gauging and setting the teeth on a cross cut saw. In the original box. Tools are unused, box has some stains but is in otherwise great shape. $40.00 Measuring A General Hardware Mfg Co #16 multipurpose bevel, square, center finder, circle divider, and drill point gauge. Also has Tap Drill Size charts. Marked 1937. Dark staining that will polish out to leave some fine pitting. $15.00 Brown and Sharpe Mfg Co Providence, RI USA Pat Oct 5, 1897 all marked on this 5" caliper. Minimal wear but someone lightly carved their initials into the leg. $20.00 A M.W.R.CO (MW Robinson) 12" ornate cast iron plumb and level. Also marked DAVIS PAT. Evidently Robinson manufactured these after the Davis patents had ran out.(?) Has very little original paint and only about 70% of the plating on the vials. The vials are unbroken but one is dry. There are no breaks or chips in the body of this tool. $78.00 Hammers Hatchets Axes Etc A stirrup type bowl adze. The bit is 4" wide. The handle is missing part of its spur. If you wanted to use this you would probably need to cut a new handle. The bit is a hammered on piece of cast steel. It this is factory made I can not find any marks. This was used and has many scrapes and scratches but very little pitting. $72.00 Heller Bros and a mule marked on this horseshoe turning hammer. The hammer turns not the shoe. It has 3 striking faces (front, left and right) and a cross pein at the rear. The head is good the handle is a replacement that is functional. $13.00 Champion Tool Co and an anvil stamped into the head of this die sinkers hammer. I would not be surprised if is this company was a subsidiary of Champion Blower and Forge. They made many of those oh so neat blacksmiths post drills and cast iron forges. Head is good, handle is a replacement that needs better fitting. $15.00 Email me at: anchor@m... ++++ End of thread 18819 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18820 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42621 (thread 18820) ---- From: Gary Roberts Date: 1998-05-04 04:29:00 Subject: FS: Book and ephemera part 2 The May 1998 Toolemera Press For Sale list groberts@s... part 2: This listing is posted first to the Oldtools list and to my private email list. Sometime thereafter it is posted to the Usenet. If you would like to be placed on the private email list, please let me know.. NOTE: I am now taking WANTS and SEARCH requests. If there is a particular title that you are looking for, please contact me for the particulars. Books and ephemera on tools and trades.... Prices (US) include postage (heavy books shipped Priority Mail). International and Canadian customers please contact me to determine shipping deferential. Please remember that I ship AFTER receipt of payment, not upon receiving your email order. It usually takes two to three weeks after the list is posted for all items to be shipped. If you have any questions concerning an item, please contact me ASAP as a firm order will take precedence over questions. Once you have received confirmation of your order, please send your check or money (ORDER (MADE OUT TO GARY ROBERTS NOT TO THE TOOLEMERA PRESS) to: Gary Roberts, 1077 South Street, Roslindale, MA 02131-2321 ........................................................... Abbreviations: (HB = hardback, SB = softback, DJ = dustjacket, Illus = illustrated, pgs = total pages, CVR = cover, Ex Lib = ex library, Engs = steel plate engravings, Half tone = early method of photo reproduction, 1904/1914 - first printing date/printing date of item for sale), First - first edition ........................................................... Books, continued ........................................................... 62. "Modern Timber Engineering" 1942/1949 Southern Pine Association. W. Fleming Scofield and W. H. O'Brien. 6x9.25. 147 pgs. VG clean copy all around. Heavily illustrated with charts and diagrams. All the numbers you need to engineer some timber. Price: $15.00 63. "The Fabrication of USS Stainless Steels" 1939. United States Steel. 6x9. 91 pgs. Semihard cvr. All around vg condition. Includes Lab and property data at end. Price: $18.00 64. "Brassfounders' Alloys; A practical handbook containing many useful tables, notes and data for the guidance of manufacturers and tradesmen; together will several illustrations and descriptions of approved modern methods and appliances for melting and mixing the alloys. " 1909. John F. Buchanan, brass founder. US imprint of 1901 British edition. Green clth cvr with bright gilt lettering. Minor usage wear to cvr, interior exc. Includes descriptions of furnace design. Price: $38.00 65. "Model Making, including practice, design, and construction of models. A practical treatise for the amateur and professional mechanic, giving instructions on the various processes and operations involved in model making and the actual construction of numerous models, including steam engines, speed boats, guns, locomotives, cranes, etc. Lathe work, pattern work, electroplating, soft and hard soldering, grinding, drilling, etc are also included. Edited by Raymond Francis Yates, editor of 'Everyday Engineering Magazine'. Second revised and enlarged edition, reproductions of actual working models." 1919/1929. 5.5x8.75, 428 pgs plus catalog of Henley Pub titles. Bright red clth cvr with gilt illus of a model steam engine. Average usage wear to cvr includes small hole in lower rear spine. Front hinge loose but intact. Otherwise interior exc. Starts with illustrations and description of a model makers home workshop. What would we give for some of the foot and motor powered machinery pictured there? Price: $48.00 66. "The Modern House-Carpenter's Companion and Builder's Guide; Being a hand book for workmen and a manual of reference for contrators and builders; Rules for getting the lengths and finding the bevels for rafters for pitch, hip, and valley roofs, the construction of french and mansard roofs, several forms of trusses, stairs, splayes and circular work, etc. Table of braces, sizes and weights of window sash, and frames for the same; Table of board, plank and scantling measure, etc. Also information for the convenience of builders and contractors in making estimates; explanations of the uses of the various markings on rules and squares; the slide rule, and how to use it' strength of materials; and rules for estimating the sizes of beams, columns, etc; and several plans for houses. Making the most comprehensive work for the price yet published.Forty five full plates. " 1883. W. A. Sylvester, Boston, MA. 5x7.75. 210 pgs. Dark green clth cvr, gilt lettering. Average usage wear to cvr. Front and rear hinges loose but intact. (I can apply hinge tape if you would prefer) Pages lightly yellowed but clear without foxing. Particularly nice section on the use of the carpenters slide rule. Price: $51.00 67. "Introduction to the Theory and Practice of Boot and Shoe Manufacure: Longman's Technical Handcraft Series." 1916. Frank Plucknett "Assistant master, cordwainer's technical college, London". 5.5x8.75. 322 pgs. Semisoft red clth cvr, black lettering. Minor usage wear and a few small damp stains. Interior exc. Hvly illustrated. Comprehensive introduction to the trade. $38.00 68. "Patented Transitional and Metallic Planes In America 1827-1927". Roger K. Smith. 1981. First. 9x11. 336 pgs. Dj chipped at upper edge. Else exc throughout. Do I have to say anything about this title? Price: $75.00 69. "Leather Manufacture, A Practical Handbook of Tanning, Currying, and Chrome Leather Dressing" by Alexander Watt. 1897/1906. HB. 5x8. 484 pgs. US edition of the British text. Red cloth cvr, gilt lettering. Some shelf wear to cover. Minor damp staining beginning and end of book upper page edges, cvr loose but attached, else good. Illus of both handwork in leather mfg and machine work. I read this one...really interesting stuff. Price: $32.00 70. "Saddlery and Harness Making... with numerous engravings and diagrams". Edited by Paul Hasluck. 1962 reprint of 1904 edition. 4x7. 160 pgs. Dj in mylar wrap. Excellent condtion throughout. Great details on the making of tack and such. A really nice read in a different trade then wood or metal working. Price: $28.00 71 "The Wonderland Of Work". By C.L. Mateaux. Cassell & Co publishers. I found a reference that says Mateaux is the pen name for JOSHUA ROSE, he of machinist fame. I have yet to substantiate this through secondary sources, but the connection could make sense. C.1880. One of my favorite titles. Some representative chapters: Coal, Lighting, Matches, Iron and Steel, Toymakers, Knives and Forks, Tool, chain and nail making, Timber, Furniture, Stick whip and umbrella makers, Clocks and watches, More toys, Glass, China, Leather, Gloves. A fascinating read. 7.75x10.5. 312 pgs. Illus with eng. VG brick red cvr with very decorative gilt and black pictures and lettering. Spine lightly creased top and bottom. Interior very good. Price:$58.00 72. "A guide to American Trade Catalogs, 1744-1900". Lawrence Romaine. Dover 1990 reprint of 1960 original. SC. 6x9.25. 422 pgs. Exc throughout. The classic bibliography for trade catalogs. Romaine surveyed libraries, historical societies and colleges throughout the US. This compilation lists trade catalogs in over 60 categories. Price: $16.00 ..................................................... Ephemera ..................................................... 73. "The Chronicle of The Early American Industries Association" a. 12/77 wooden compass plane, sailmaking, Cartwright tool chest. b. 3/77 Hx of the Leonard Bailey Tool Co., ice harvesting tools, shaving horse, etc.. All very good condtion. Price per issue: $6.00 74. "Stanley Rafter and Framing Squares" 1954 pocket instruction booklet. 3.25x6.25. 45pgs. SB. Excellent condition. Price: $13.00 75. "The Fairbanks Co.: Power Transmission Appliances; Elevating and Conveying Macninery; Catalog No. 482". 1909. 5.5x7.25. 327 pgs. Cvr light usage wear. Marbled edges. Interior vg. Includes section on scales. Price: $18.00 76. "Net Price List Applying to Our 1898 Catalogue". The Reliable Electric MFG. Co., 86 Foster Street, Worcester, Mass. Single sheet 5.25x11.5 folded once. Price list of early telephone equipment. Folded twice. A few minor creases and surface soil. Not illustrated. Price: $3.00 78, "Measuring Tools, Calipers, Dividers, Surface Gages, Micrometer Measuring Instruments. Third Edition. Machinery's Reference Book No. 21" pub by Machinery 1910. Excerpts from the trade magazine Machinery. SB. 6x9. 48 pgs. Cvr soiled and partially loose. Interior very good. Illus with halftone and steel plate. Price: $13.00 79. "Atlas Woodworking Power Tools" 1954. 8.5x11. 31 pgs. SB.Tools for the home or small pro shop. Excellent condition. Price: $15.00. 80."Van Keuren Co. Precision Measuring Tools Catalog and Handbook No. 36, includes 1958 price list". 1955. 6x9. HB. 258 pgs. Minor cvr dirt and small hole in bottom of cvr extending 60 pages. Looks like a needle hole. Full color and B&W illus of precision measuring tools. Includes instructions and charts for use of precision measuring devices. Price: $22.00 81. "Starrett Catalog No. 26A... for New Tools see Pages 282-333". 1953. SB. 5x7. 334 pgs. Cvr shows minor wear at spine and edges. Rear cvr and pages slightly damp wrinkled. Otherwise VG. Shocking red and yellow art deco cover. Contains red discontinued stamps thoughout. Price: $28.00 82. "Pettingell-Andrews Company; Condensed Catalog No. 22 Electrical Merchandise". Boston, MA 1922. 4.5x8.5. 720 pgs. Minor usage wear to cvr. Interior vg. Everything in electricity from linemen's tools, light and heavy electrical contractors supplies, lighting, stoves, irons, Klein Tools, you name it. Price: $22.00 83. "File Filosophy, twentieth edition, being a brief account of the history, manufacture, variety and uses of files in general.". 1956. Nicholson File Company. 6x9. 50 pgs. SC. Exc condition throughout. Price: $6.00 84. "Brown & Sharpe New Tools supplement to catalogs no. 32 and 140". 4.5x6.75. SB. 37 pgs. 1937. New tools and items withdrawn. VG condition. Price: $8.00 85. "Brown & Sharpe Small Tools Catalog No. 32". 1935. 4.5x6.5. 448 pgs. SB. VG condition throughout with exception of small spine tear that doesn't extend through to interior. Price:$20.00 86. "Brown & Sharpe Small Tools Catalog No. 33". 1938. 4.5x6.5. 480 pgs. SB. Heavy use wear but all intact. Price:$16.00 87. "Brown & Sharpe Small Tools Cat6alog No. 34". 1941. 4.5x6.5. 512pgs.SB Cvr vg with minimal wear, interior excellent. Price: $22.00 88. "Brown & Sharpe Small Tools Catalog No. 34". 1941. 4.5x6.5. 512pgs.SB G condition,cvr slightly worn, interior vg. Price: $20.00 89. "Starrett Catalog No. 26". SB., 288 pgs. Hvy cvr soil, cvr split top and bottom of spine. Interior has a few light stains and wrinkled back. Price: $14.00. 90. "Pratt & Whitney Small Tools No.15." 1938. HB. 5x7.5. 457 pgs. Very nice blue and silver cloth cover. The complete line of P&W taps.dies, cutters, reamers, etc. Very minor shelf wear, interior VG with some slight yellowing around edges. Price:.$22.00 91. "O. S. Rixford's Scythes and Axes, East Highgate, Vermont" C. 1880. SB. ORIGINAL trade catalog. 4"x6.5". 68 pgs. Axes, Sythes, Snathes and Patent Axe boxes. Green cover, cream interior. Full page steel plate illustrations of each item with text descriptions on facing page. Minor thin water stain on edge and 1/2" wide by 4" long rust or dirt stain on top of back cover (Neither stain affects the look of the catalog). Otherwise excellent condition throughout. Now. this has been on the list for a while. Don't you understand that this is the real thing? Price: $58.00 92. "Disston Saw, Tool and File Manual...How to choose and use tools for longer tool life... Fight Waste". January 1952. Includes the mailing envelope that reads "A Disston Gift for you. With a red print bow and cartoons of Grandpa, Dad and Sonny. All very good condition with exception of envelope flap stuck to corner of manual leaving a little piece of paper. Price: $20.00 93. "Lufkin Precision Tools Catalog No. 7". Also stamped CE McCormick, Phila PA. SB. C 1940's. 5.25x8. 128 pgs. This catalog has one star to either side of the Catalog No. 7 label. Saginaw MI plant on frontispiece. Minor normal cvr wear. Interior vg. Price: $22.00 94. "Lufkin Precision Tools Catalog No. 7". C 1940's. 5.25x8. 144 pgs. This catalog has no star to either side of the Catalog No. 7 label. Saginaw MI plant on frontispiece. VG condition throughout. Price: $24.00 95. "Disston Handbook on Saws" 1907. Cardboard cvrs. 5.75x9.25. 207 pgs. Tan Cvr and some interior pages stained with what looks like carbon from a stove. A little dog eared and usual shelf wear. The whole shebang about Disston lumbering equipment..If you've never seen this one, check out the half tones of the factory workers. Price: $38.00 96. "Popular Mechanics Shop Notes for 1917, Vol XIII".Paperback PM compendium of their Shop Notes forum. 6.5x9.5. 215 pgs, VG condition throughout. Typical yellowing of newsprint pages. Price:$ 12.00 97. "Fifield Tool Company Engine Lathes from 17 to 72 Inches, Lowell, Mass, USA." C 1885 trade catalog. 11.5x7.5. 32 pgs. SB cvr. Light surface soil, creased corners, othewise vg condition throughout. Eng of company plant on cover. Halftone prints of 17 through 64 inch lathes plus accessories. Price: $32.00 98. " Wm H. Gallison Engineers' Specialities. 36 Oliver St. Boston, MA". 1891. 3.5x6.5. 95 pgs. Cvr water stained and missing a few small pieces here and there. Inerior pages damp stained at edges and wrinkled. Steam engineer trade catalog that seems to have seen use in a damp environment (steam?). Planimiters. wrenches, fixtures, packing, valves, oil cans, etc. What the discerning steam engineer needed to do business. Price: $15.00 99. "Lufkin Precision Tools Catalog No. 8." C.1950? 5.5x7.5. 160 pgs. SC. Average usage wear to cvr, minor scuffs. Interior vg. Price: $18.00 100. "Lufkin Precision Tools Catalog No. 7". No stars on this cover. Michigan and Canadian plants shown. Includes flyer announcing the "New Lufkin Vernier Height Gage Series no. 800" and another for the "Universal Dial Test Indicator No. 399A" . 5.5x7.5. 144 pgs... pages labeled T1, T2, etc. Exc condition throughout. Price: $18.00 101. "Lufkin Precision Tools Catalog No. 7". No stars on this cover. Michigan plant only shown. 5.5x7.5. 128 pgs... Moderate usage wear. Price: $12.00 102. "Sawology; being a brief account of the history, manufacture, variety and uses of saws for the cutting of ferrous and non-ferrous metals, hard plastics and rubber, wood and other dense materials... a useful handbook and guide for the shop superintendent, production foreman, mechanic or home craftsman." 1959. The Nicholson File Company. 5.25x8.5. 34 pgs. SC. Exc condition. All about hacksaw blades and metal cutting bandsaw blades. A nice little booklet that is surprisingly hard to find. Price: $12.00 103. "How to get the most out of your farm workshop." 1940's. Delta Manufacturing Co. SC. 6.9. 40 pgs. Some minor damp sticking of pages, otherwise good. Need to make a cattle stanchion? Price: $5.00 104. "Simonds Saws, Knives, Files, Steel. 1923. Pacific Coast Edition," 6x9. 168 pgs. Red clth cvr with usage wear, cvr lettering worn. Interior good. The lumber trade edition for the west coast. Price:$33.00 105. "Johns-Manville Railroad Supplies Catalog No. 252.. Asbestos, Magnesia and Electrical Railroad Supplies". 1911. 6x9. 342 pgs. Great illust on cvr of Train in black. Average usage wear to cvr. Label on spine. Interior exc. A hazardoud materials lovers dream catalog. Even inlcudes an oak toilet seat cover (what that has to do with asbestos, I don't know.) Packing, insulation, railroad car and depot construction materials, etc.. Profusely illustrated with halftones and mechanical cutaway drawings of railroad cars. Price: $68.00 ................................................................... Some reprints had been mailed to the association member. Blank white labels have been placed over the orginal white mailing label in order to preserve their privacy. .......................................... 106."The Stanley Rule and Level Company" 1909 catalog No.102. Roger K. Smith 1977 reprint. SB. 8.75x6. 127 pgs. Note that this is in VG condition except that the first four pages are loose from the binding (this is what happens when glue dries out!). Price: $8.00 107. "Stanley 55 Plane and How to Use It" MWTCA 1981 reprint of the 1921 original. 5x8. SB. 22 pgs. Excellent condition. Price: $$10.00 108. "Stanley No. 171 Door Trim Plane" instructions. unkown reprint date. Original C. 1900. photocopy, 3 fold opens to 6x11. Excellent condition. Price: $3.00 109. "Steel Carpenter's Squares, Eagle Square Manufacturing Co.,South Shaftsbury, Vt." Undated. MWTC-A reprint July, 1991. 31 pgs, 4" x 7.74". Stanley bought the controlling interest in the Eagle Square Co in 1916, thereby sequering the carpenters square market. This catalog predates the Stanley involvement. Excellent condition. I had three of these and this is the last one... better hurry! Price: $8.00 110. "Stanley Tools catalog No. 110". Roger K. Smith 1984 reprint of 1911 catalog. SB. 9x11.25. 61 pgs. Pressure crease in front cvr, otherwise very good condition. Price: $16.00 111. "Zenith Tools and Cutlery: Marshall-Wells Hdwre. Co." MWTCA 1987 reprint of the C 1910 full line catalog. SC. 6x8.5. 138 pgs. Excellent condition througout. Pricd: $12.00 112. "Belcher Brothers & Sons Price List of Boxwood & Ivory Rules... Measuring Tapes, Thermometers, Sandpaper, Steel Squares, Braces and Bits, Gauges, Spokeshaves, Try-Squares, Bemis' Cast Steel Goods, &c. 1860". Ken Roberts 1982 reprint of 1860 original. SC. 5.5x8.5 44 pgs includes author's commentary. Excellent condition. Price: $10.00 113. "Millers Falls Company Hardware Manufacturers, 1887." Ken Roberts 1981 reprint of 1887 catalog. SC 5.5x8.5. 72 pages includes author's commentary and additional advertising. Finger smudges on cvr, otherwise vg condition throughout. Price: $13.00 114. "Goodell-Pratt Company Tools Number 7". Roger K. Smith 1977 reprint of the 1905 catalog. 4.25x6.5. 176 pgs. Vg condition throughout. Price: $11.00 115. "Mechanics Hand Tools: PEXTO: The Peck Stow & Wilcox Company Catalog No. 26T for Carpenters, Machinists, Electricians, Tinsmiths, Etc." Roger K. Smith 1981 reprint of 1927 original. SC. 5x7. 95 pgs. VG condition throughout. Price: $11.00 116. "Collins & Co. Axes, Hatchets, Adzes, Etc. Etc." ETC. 1974 reprint of the 1921 catalog. 7.5x10.25. 29 pgs. SC. VG condition throughout. Price: $8.00 117. "E. C. Stearns & Co, Syracuse, NY Hardware" Roger K. Smith 1977 reprint of the 1924 tools and hardware catalog. 6x9. 88 pgs. SC Vg condition throughout. Price: $12.00 118. "The Russell Jennings Mfg. Co. Price List; patent augers and extention lip auger bits. Deep River, Conn., USA". Ken Robderts. 1981 reprint of the c. 1899 original. 11x7. 32 pgs includes supplementary material. SC. Vg condition. Price: $15.00 119. "W.G. Hagar Iron Co., Illustrated Catalog No. 5. Formerly Western Iron & Supply Co. Direct Mill representatives and jobbers... and supplies for Steam Fitters, Machinists and Engineers, Boilermakers and Blacksmiths, Mines, Mills and Railroads. St. Louis. 1908". 4.25x5.75. 532 pgs. Green cloth cvr, usage worn but clean. Interior vg. A ton of stuff in a small package. Along with the stock supplies of the period are tools from most of the major manufacturers. Wrenches, hammers, precision tools, stationary iron working machinery, blacksmithing equipment, heavy steam fitters equipment, etc. Includes two track drills, if you have some tracks to drill. The next time you find an Ingalls Flue Scraper, you'll know what to call it. Price: $ 36.00 120. "Berlin Woodworking Machinery; Sectional catalog of wood-working machinery for saw mills, planing mills, sash and door plants, box factories, railroad shops, furniture plants, farm implements, general shops, etc." 1915. The Berlin Machine Works, Beloit, Wis. 12.5x9.5. 128 pgs. Stiff paper metal tab cvr. Cvr frayed and torn at edges. First four pages have 1 inch tear. Lightly soiled cvr edges. Otherwise interior good. Everything from heavy timber machinery through table saws. Each pg has a full pge halftone of the machine with facing page description. Price:$ 30.00 Gary Roberts groberts@s... Boston, MA...Antique tools, Art Pottery, Hong Kong cinema, what else is there? ++++ End of thread 18820 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18821 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42622 (thread 18821) ---- From: Gary Roberts Date: 1998-05-04 04:27:00 Subject: FS: Books and Books part 1 The May1998 Toolemera Press For Sale list groberts@s... part 1: This listing is posted first to the Oldtools list and to my private email list. Sometime thereafter it is posted to the Usenet. If you would like to be placed on the private email list, please let me know.. NOTE: I am now taking WANTS and SEARCH requests. If there is a particular title that you are looking for, please contact me for the particulars. Books and ephemera on tools and trades.... Prices (US) include postage (heavy books shipped Priority Mail). International and Canadian customers please contact me to determine shipping deferential. Please remember that I ship AFTER receipt of payment, not upon receiving your email order. It usually takes two to three weeks after the list is posted for all items to be shipped. If you have any questions concerning an item, please contact me ASAP as a firm order will take precedence over questions. Once you have received confirmation of your order, please send your check or money order (made out to Gary Roberts NOT to the Toolemera Press) to: Gary Roberts, 1077 South Street, Roslindale, MA 02131-2321 ........................................................... Abbreviations: (HB = hardback, SB = softback, DJ = dustjacket, Illus = illustrated, pgs = total pages, CVR = cover, Ex Lib = ex library, Half tone = early method of photo reproduction, 1904/1914 - first printing date/printing date of item for sale), First - first edition ........................................................... Books ........................................................... 1. "The New Encylcopedia Of Machine Shop Practice; A Guide to the Principles and Practices of Machine Shop Procedure". Edited by George Barnwell. 1941. 5.75x8.5. 568 pgs. Minor shelf wear to cvr. Interior exc. A comprehensive introduction to machine shop work for the voctech school crowd. Price: $25.00 2. "Common Sense Stairbuilding and Handrailing". 1903. Fred Hodgson. 5.5x7.75. 196 pgs plus 56 pgs of house plans. Green cloth cvr with black illustration. Cvr and interior vg. with typical minor shelf wear at spine edges. Overall one of the better copies of this title. Price: $32.00 3. "Up to Date Air Brake Catechism; a complete study of the air brake equipment, including the latest devices and inventions used. All troubles and peculiarities of the air brake, and a practical way to find and remedy them are explained. Containing nearly 1,000 questions with their answers, intended as examination questions for engineers and firemen and for all other practical railroad men." 1898/1902. Fifteenth edition. Robert H. Blackall, air brake instructor and inspector with Westinghouse Air Brake Co.. 5.25x7.5. 254 pgs. Heavily illustrated, includes pull out illustrations. Red cloth cvr with clean gilt lettering. Remains of label on spine. Minor usage wear to cvr, interior vg. Price: $32.00 4. "Modern Machine Shop Practice, Supplement... Containing all the revisions and additions to be found in the second edition, including nearly 500 new illustrations". By Joshua Rose, M. E. 1887/1892. 10.25x13.5. 578 pgs. Brick colored cloth cvr. Minor shelf wear to cvr and spines. Interior excellent. The very hard to find supplement to Rose's major two volume work. Heavily illus. Includes a section on electricity, noting that with the advent of electricity replacing steam power, it was felt it would be valuable to the machinist to include information about state of the art of electrical power generation as it related to machine work. (Note...if you prefer UPS shipping with insurance on this item, contact me regarding shipping costs) Price: $98.00 5. "The Mechanics' Handbook... a convenient reference book for all persons interested in mechanical engineering, steam engineering, electrical engineering, railroad engineering, hydraulic engineering, bridge engineering, etc." By International Correspondence Schools. 1893/1904. 3.5x5.5. 330 pgs. Green clth cvr.vg with minor soil. Interior excellent. Tables, formulas, geometry, surveying, railroad track surveying, tunneling, etc. Small enough to carry in your pocket... just in case you have a railroad curve to layout. Price: $15.00 6. "American Machinist Handbook and Dictionary of Shop Terms... a reference book of machine shop and drawing room data, methods and definitions". By Fred H. Colvin and Frank A. Stanley. 1908/1912. 511 pgs. Semisoft black leather cvr, gilt page edges. Cvr shows a shelf wear and had been separated and repaired with linen tape. Interior vg. Price: $18.00 7. "Pattern Making". By Frederick Turner and Daniel Town, instructors at the Mechanic Arts High School, Boston. 1914. First Edition, first thousand printed. 5x7. 114 pgs. Green clth cvr in vg condition. Interior excellent. Nice trade school intro. Line drawings illus, incl Stanley core box, circular, shoot board planes and Emmert vise. Check out the Canadian dovetail... a box joint by just another name. Price: $23.00 8. "The Modern Machinist, A Practical Treatise on Modern Machine Shop Methods....describing in a comprehensive manner, the most approved methods, processes, and appliances employed in present practice for cutting, shaping, fitting, erecting and finishing metal work, on the vise, floor, lathe, planing, shaping, slotting, milling, drilling, grinding and other machines". By John Usher. 1896. 5.25x8. 322 pgs. With titles such as this one, who needs to describe the contents? If you need to erect a traction engine, you need this book. Clth cvr minor use wear, heavily surface soiled. Should be cleaned and waxed. Interior vg. Price: $36.00 9. "The Slide Valve Practically Explained, embracing simple and practical demonstrations of the operations of each element in a slide valve movement, and illustrating the effects of variations in their proportionsm, by examples carefully selected from the most recent and successful practice". By Joshua Rose. 1880. First. Illus with 35 eng. 5x7.25. 100 pgs with 22 pg catalog of Baird pub titles. Pencil notes front and back of owner's preferred titles. Obviously, directions for operation of the slide valve on steam engines, locomotives and marine engines. Rose certainly got around. Green clth cvr with some staining and use wear. Interior vg. Price: $18.00 10. "Maxims And Instructions for the Boiler Room, Useful to Engineers, Firemen & Mechanics, relating to steam generators, pumps, appliances, steam heating, practical plumbing, etc. Comprising instructions and suggestions on the construction, setting, control and management of various forms of steam boilers; on the theory and practical operation of the steam pump; steam heatiing; practical plumbing; also rules for the safety valve, strength of boilers, capacitiy of pumps, etc" By N. Hawkins. Theo. Audel, Publishers. 1897/1898/1903. 5.5x8.5 331 pgs. Navy clth cvr, gilt lettering and gilt edge pages. Cvr vg with minor use wear. Interior excellent. Everything you need to know to keep your boiler running. Unlike many steam texts, this one has not been harmed by damp. Price: $24.00 11. "Laws Governing the Steamboat Inspection Service: Revised statutes of the United States as modified by the Act of Congress approved March 4, 1913, establishing the Department Of Commerce and by other acts of Congress: Edition, November 4, 1915". USGPO, 1916. 6x9. 87 pgs. Paperbound. Pgs yellowed, usage wears to edges, minor staining. You will need this document in order to operate that steamboat in your backyard. Price: $14.00 12. "The Bench Saw, Jointer and Shaper, Their Use and Application". 1934. Walker Turner. Includes Instruction sheet with parts list for Craftsman Model 472 Bench Saw (made by WT). SB. 6x9. 71 pgs. Lightly creased cvr edge. Else vg throughout. Just what you need if you have one of the WT benchtop machines. Price: $$18.00 13. . "Modern Carpentry, A Practical Manual: a new and complete guide containing hundreds of methods for performing work in carpentry, joining and general woodwork, written in a simple every day style that does not bewilder the workingman, illustrated with hundreds of diagrams which are especially made so that anyone can follow them without difficulty". Fred Hodgson, Architect. 1903. First of this edition. 193 pgs plus 50 pgs of house plans. Moderate usage wear to cvr. Interior g with typical yellowing. If you don't have this book then you can't call yourself a carpenter. Price: $24.00 12. "Farm Shop Practice". 1939. Mack Jones. 6x9. 314 pgs. Spine missing 1.5 inch triangle at top, otherwise average usage wear. Interior vg. Everything the farm hand or ag student needed to know about woodworking, tool sharpening, cold metal work, blacksmithing, harness/belt and rope work. Price: $16.00 13. "Gages and their use in inspection". 1942. Fred Colvin. 5x7.5. 157 pgs. All around clean copy. Nice small introductory book about the use of gages in industrial production. Price: $15.00 14, "Manual Arts: Educational and Vocational: with 184 illustrations" S. C. Roberts (no relation!). 1924. 5.5x8. 277 pgs. Light blue cvr with some white water staining and surface soil (that's what I hate about blue cvrs... the dye never held). Interior exc. Nice manual arts text with many dimensioned plans for arts & crafts style furniture for the voc tech crowd (now you know where those un-named pieces of arts & crafts furniture came from). Price: $15.00 15. "The Carpenters Steel Square and It's Uses, being a description of the square, and it's uses in obtaining the lengths and bevels of all kinds of rafters, hips, groins, braces, brackets, purlins, collar-beams and jack rafters. Also, its application in obtaining the bevels and cuts for hoppers, spring moldings, octagons, stairs, diminished stiles, etc, etc. Illustrated by over seventy wood-cuts". Fred Hodgson. 1883. Second Edition. 5x7.5. 95 pgs. Gilt embossed cvr with moderate usage wear. Interior yellowed, a few small spots, front hinge slightly separated. else vg. Price: $20.00. 16. "Drilling and Surface Practice. Drilling, Reaming, Tapping, Planning, Shaping, Slotting, Milling and Broaching.". By Fred Colvin and Frank Stanley. 1936. First. 6.25x9.25. 431 pgs. Excellent condition throughout. Price: $25.00 17. "Three Centuries of Harpsichord Making". Frank Hubbard, with a forward by Ralph Kirkpatrick. Harvard University Press. 1967. 6.5x10. 373 pgs plus approx 40 additional plates depicting engravings of actual instruments and examples from period publications such as Roubo. Chapters include: Italy, Flanders, France, England, Germany, The Workshop, Contemporary Descriptions of Instruments, Contemporary Descriptions of Technical Processes, Inventories of the Workshops of French Harpsichord Makers and of Instruments in the Hands of French Muscians, Inventions Applied to the Harpsichord, The Pedal, The Gut Stringed Harpsichord, The Bach Disposition, The Claviorganum, the Manuscript of Pierre Trichet. Of special note is the Workshop section containing detailed descriptions from harpsichord makers of the time, taken from correspondence and estate records. Includes lists of tools and supplies. DJ slightly soiled at spine, in mylar cvr. otherwise exc all around. Price: $48.00 18. "The Tool Steel Trouble-Shooter; a practical handbook to help you identify and correct the most frequent causes of tool and die failures." 1952. Bethlehem Steel. 6x9. 125 pgs. DJ worn at edges. Cvr lightly soiled. Interior vg. Profusely illustrated with photos and captions... why steel fails. Price: $16.00 19. "A Practical Workshop Companion for Tin, Sheet Iron and Copper Plate Workers, containing rules for describing various kins of patterns used by the sheet iron, and copper plate workers, practical geometry, mensuration of surfaces and solides, tables of the weights of metals, lead pipes, etc, tables of areas and circumfernces of circles, japans, varnishes, lackers, cements, compositions etc. etc. etc." By Leroy J. Blinn, master mechanic. 1864/1888. 5x8. 184 pgs with 33 pg catalog of Baird titles. Cvr moderate use wear, spine worn at ends. Interior very good. A hard to find title in the Baird series of industrial titles. If you are into geometry, this is the book for you. Price: $38.00 20. "The Carpenters' and Builders' Guide, being a Hand-Book For Workmen, also a Manual Of Reference For Contractors, Builders, Etc" by Peter W. Plummer. Boyt, Fogg & Donham , Portland Maine, Pub. 1869/1885. HB. 5x8. 72 pgs plus 4 plates of geometry. Slightly soiled and use worn paper over cardboard cvr. Minimal foxing. Interior very good. A classic and hard to find handbook for the mid 19th C carpenter and joiner. Price: $42.00 21. "Planers and Planer Practice." 1927. International Correspondence School staff.5x7.5. 59 pgs. One of the ICS series on machine shop practice. Nice introduction to the use of surface planers. Heavily illustrated with clear engravings. Exc condition. Price: $16.00 22. "Mechanical Drawing Self Taught: Comprising Instructions in the Selection and Preparation of Drawing Instruments, Elementary Instruction in Practical Mechanical Drawing, Together With Examples In Simple Geometry and Elementary Mechanism, Including Screw Threads, Gear Wheels, Mechanical Motions, Engines and Boilers" By JOSHUA ROSE. 1883/1889/1906. HC Baird publisher. 6x9.5. 303 pgs. HB. Owners plate pasted in front leaf. Cvr moderate use wear.Interior vg. The section on the preparation and use of drafting equipment is particularly nice. How to sharpen inking pens and pencils, how to hold them, etc. A very hard to find volume from Baird publishers. Price: $38.00 23."The Artist's Guide and Mechanics Own Book Embracing The Portion of Chemistry Applicable to the Mechanic Arts, with Abstracts of Electricity, Galvinism, Magnetism, Pnuematics, Optics, Astronomy and Mechanical Philosophy also Mechanical Exercises in Iron, Steel, Lead, Zinc, Copper and Tin Soldering and a Variety of Useful Receipts extending to Every Profession and Occupation Of Life, Particularly Dyeing, Silk, Woollen, Cotton and Leather" by James Pilkington, Boston. 1847. HB. 5x7.75. 490 pgs. Embossed Cvr worn with surface spotting and at spine. Interior minor foxing front and rear cvr sheets. Index signature loose. Signed Emerson Goddards, Petersham, Mass. Else good. Price: $23.00 24. . "Punches and Dies, Layout, Construction and Use" by Frank Stanley. 1919/1943. 6x9. 476 pgs. Some cvr soil that could be cleaned, otherwise VG condition throughout. Price: $18.00 25. "Platt Brothers and Company; Small Business in American Manufacturing" By Matthew W. Roth. 1994. University Press of New England, publisher. 6x9.25. 256 pgs. DJ mylar protected. Near new condition throughout. Examines the important role small family owned businesses played in the industrialization of the US. Platt Bros produced non-ferous buttons for private use and for the US Military. I have one copy of my own. Price: $15.00 26. "Tool Steel Simplified; a handbook of modern practice for the man who makes tools" 1937. Frank Palmer, VP, the Carpenter Steel Company. 6x9. 316 pgs. Owner stamped "Star Watch Case Company". Very clean copy, blue clth cvr wth gilt lettering. Includes two full color pages on heat treating. Price: $24.00 27. "Practical Uses of the Steel Square, Complete Modern Treatise, Vol 1: being an exhaustive collection of steel square problems and solutions, old and new. with many original and useful additions, forming a complete encyclopedia of steel square knowledge, together with a brief history of the square and description of tables, keys and other aids and attachments." Vol 1 only. Fred Hodgson. 1903/1904. 5.5x7.75. 242 pgs plus apprix 30 pgs of house plans. Includes brief references to such patented square such as Tops. Starretts Combination, Cheneys. etc. Moderate usage wear to cvr. interior vg. Price: $25.00 28. "American Machinist Gear Book: Simplified tables and formulas for designing, and practical points in cutting all commercial types of gears". Charles Logue, revised by Reginald Trautschold. The Library of Machine Shop Practice. 1918/1922. 6x9.25. 353 pgs.Light usage wear to cvr. Interior vg. Price: $24.00 29. "The Charleston Blacksmith: The Work of Philip Simmons" by John Vlach. 1981 University of Georgia Press. 8x9. 172 pgs. SC on glossy stock. Vg condition thoughout. "...a guidebook to the beautiful ironwork of Charleston created by the historic city's best known blacksmith..." Interview, photos and commentary. Price: $16.00 30. "The Mine and Smelter Supply Company; Assayers and Chemists Supplies, Scientific Instruments. Catalog No. 54. Includes separate Bausch & Lomb Micropscope Supplement." Utah, Colorado, Texas, NY. 1918. 6x9.25. 833 pgs catalog. 20 pgs microscope supplement. Average usage wear to cvr. Interior vg. Supplement creased at outer edges. If you were an early 20thC Assayer, this catalog had what you needed. From analytical balances to glass lab equipment to miners lamps to heavy duty rock grinders. Microscope supplement includes equipment for photomicrography of laboratory specimens. Price: $72.00 31. "The Practical House, Wagon and Automobile Painter: Including Sign Painting and Valuable Hints and Receipes" by W. P. White. 1919. HB. 5x7.5. 157 pgs. Average shelf wear. Interior excellent. A fascinating review of the painter's trade. Price:$18.00 32. "Country Cabinetwork and Simple City Furniture, Winterthur Conference Report 1969". Edited by John Morse. SB. 6x9. 309 pgs. All the big names.. Benno Forman, Charles Hummel, Jonathan Fairbanks, etc. Moderately yellowed cover around edges. else VG. Price: $11.00 33. "The Patent Law: by systematic condensation this little book undertakes to state the whole body of the patent law, having special regard to correctness, originality, clearness and high authority of citations". William Simonds, ex-commissioner of Patents. Cvr label: Simonds & Frothingham, Counselors at Law, Hartford Trust Co Building, Hartford, Ct. 1893. 4x5.5. 96 pgs. Cardboard cvr, quarter cloth bound. Usage wear and a few small worn spots to cvr. Hinges loose but intact. Could use application of hinge tape. Patent law from the horse's mouth. Price: $18.00 34. "Modern Carpentry, A Practical Manual" by Fred Hodgson. 1917 of 1902 edition. HB. 5x7.5. 275 pgs of text plus 60 odd pgs of house plans. I like the part on casemaking and door design. Shelf wear and soil on cvr. Interior very good. Price: $16.00 35. . "Maxims and Instructions for the Boiler Room: useful to engineers, firemen & mechanics relating to steam generators, pumps, appliances, steam heating, practical plumbing, etc.". N. Hawkins. Theo. Audel &Co Pub. 1890. 6x8.75. 331 pgs. Cvr lightly soiled... could use a cleaning and waxing. Hinges taped, otherwise interior vg. "This work is fraternally inscribed to W. R. Hawkins, R. F. Hawkins and F. P. Hawkins" printed on inside leaf. Everything to late 19th C mechanician needed to know about boilers. Price: $21.00 36. "Wood Patternmaking" by Herbert McCaslin. 1923. First. 5x7.5. 296 pgs. The classic trade school text of it's time. Blue cloth cvr excellent. Interior excellent. Price:$26.00 37. "Varnish Making" 1940. Papers from the 1939 Second Conference of the Oil and Colour Chemists Association, Harrogate. 5.5x8.75. 231 pgs. Average usage wear to cvr.Interior vg. Light bed time reading. Price: $22.00 38. "Civil Engineering, Strength of Materials, Hydraulics, WATERWHEELS". by the editorial staff, International Textbook Co. 1906/1925. HB. 5.75x9. Approx 400 pgs. 1/2 inch tear lower spine, otherwise very good condition throughout. The section on waterwheels is fascinating... overshot, undershot, wood, metal, turbine. Really, you don't see material about waterwheels. Price:$28.00 39. "Geodesy; including astronomical observations, gravity measurements and method of least squares." 1920. George Hosmer. 6x9. 368 pgs. Don't know what to do with that heliotrope lying around in the garage? This book will tell you. Moderate cvr wear, Interior vg with typical yellowing of pages. Price: $22.00 40. "The Practice of Lubrication: an engineering treatise on the origin, nature and testing of lubricants, their selection, application and use." T. C. Thompsen. 1920. 6x9. 607 pgs. Steam engines, textile machinery, railroad machinery. mine cars, gasoline, etc. etc. Cvr vg with minor shelf wear. Interior exc. Price: $19.00 41. "Light and Heavy Timber Framing Made Easy" 1909. Fred Hodgson. 5.75x8.25. 395 pgs. Navy cvr with gilt lettering, black and white embossed illustration of half framed structure. Some minor damp staining to cvr. Interior vg. The hardest of all Hodgson titles to find. Published for a very short period only. Hodgson's typical thorough coverage of the subject with numerous illustrations. Price: $58.00 42. "Practical Treatise on the Steam Engine Indicator". AKA Hawkins Indicator Catechism. 1898/1903. by N. Hawkins. Theo. Audel pub. HB. 5.25x8. 173 pgs. Navy clth cvr with gilt lettering and gilt page edging. VG condition throughout. Obviously, if you have a steam engine, you need this book. Price: $22.00 43. "The Electric Furnace: It's Evolution, Theory and Practice" by Alfred Stansfield. 1908. Canadian copyright. HB. 6x9.25. 211 pgs. Pencil notes last page. Cvr moderate shelf wear. A few stains. Interior VG. You will need this if you are planning on setting up a furnace. Price: $12.00 44. "Mechanism" by Robert McArdle Keown and Virgil Moring Faires (great names!). 1912/1939. HB. 6x9. 282 pgs. Cvr lightly soiled, could be cleaned. Interior VG. Power transmission, gearing, etc. Price: $16.00 45. "Getting the most of your Band Saw and Scroll Saw" Rockwell Manufacturing Company. 1937/1954. 5.75x8.75. 111 pgs. HB edition. Cvr minor use wear. Interior excellent. A Deltacraft Library book. Price: $15.00 46. 'The New Catechism of The Steam Engine with chapters on Gas, Oil and Hot Air Engines...Relating to Stationary, Marine and Locomotive Engines; Steam Fire Engines; Pumping; Hoisting and Portable Engines; Gas, Oil and Air Engines. Explaining their principal points and their care and management". 1897/1904. N. Hawkins. Theo. Audel, publishers. 5.5x8.5. 437 pgs. Gilt lettering on navy cloth cvr. Full gilt page edges all around. This is the cleanest copy of this title that I have seen. It came right out of the house of the original owner's granddaughter... no kidding. The gilt edging is almost too bright to look at. Price: $42.00 47. "The Practical Treatise on the Steam Engine Indicator, aka Hawkins Indicator Catechism" 1898/1903. N. Hawkins. The companion to the previous title from the same house. Condition is identical. Price: $32.00 48. "Jigs and Fixtures... A reference book showing the many types of jigs and fixtures in actual use and suggestions fo various cases". By Fred Colvin and Lucian Haas. 1943. 6.25x9.25. 371 pgs. Illus with line drawings. Excellent condition throughout. Price: $26.00 49. "Elements of Mechanism". By Peter Schwamb, Allyne Merrill and Walter James all of MIT. 4th edition revised. J Wiley pub. 1904/1930. 6.25x9. 372 pgs. Even if I don't understand anything in this book. I love the title. I guess that is why I always buy a copy when I see one. Red clth cvr very good with a few minor stains that could be cleaned. Interior excellent. Price: $22.00 50. "Patternmaker's Manual" Pub...American Foundrymen's Society. 1953. First. 6x9. 279 pgs. Red clth cvr avg shelf wear. Interior vg with pencil marks. A basic trade school shop text introducing the work of the patternmaker. Price: $21.00 51. "Kent's Mechanical Engineers Handbook... Design, Shop Practice" by William Kent. Wiley Engineering Series. 1895/1946 Revised edition. 5.5x8.5 approx 100 pgs. Flexible cloth cvr with moderate shelf wear. Interior vg. Whatever it is you want to know, Kent knew it already. Price: $16.00 52. Twelve titles from the International Textbook Company series. All pub in the 1930's with material from 1915 through the 30's. 5x7.5. Average 70 pgs each. Navy semisoft cvrs. All are near new condition. Heavily illus with eng. Titles are as follows: Shaper, Slotting and Boring Mill Work; Milling Machines and Equipment; Gear Calculating and Cutting; Geometry and Trigonometry; Grinding Equipment and Practice; Drilling Machines and Practice; Elements of Blueprint Reading; Formulas, Cube Roots and Logarithms; Measuring Instruments; Bench Work; Milling Machine Practice and Work; Erecting. Sold as one lot. Price: $68.00 53. "Principles of Combustion in the Steam Boiler Furnace." 1920. Arthur D. Pratt. Babcock & Wilcox, publishers. 6x9. 114 pgs. Fifth edition. Minor shelf wear to spine edges, else excellent all around. Charts, graphs and descriptive text. Personally, I don't understand this stuff... unless it was for a barbecue. Price: $16.00 54. "The Modern Blacksmith" Alexander Weygers. 1974. SB. 7.75x11. 96 pgs. VG condition all around, owner inscribed. $10.00 55. "Modern Steam Generators; Safety and Economy, Steam Boilers, Feed-Water Heaters manufactured by Wickes Brothers, Saginaw Michigan." 1904. HB sales catalog. 7x10. 149 pgs. Silver gilt illlustration of the globe as a caloric engine on cover. Cvr illustrations clear. Spine and about 1 inch of cvr soiled but fully intact. Usage wear to cvr edges. Foxing on first and last pages and some interior. Bulk of interior is vg. Catalog of steam boilers for heavy industry. Price: $31.00 56. "The Tin-Plate Industry: A comparative study of it's growth in the United States and in Wales" D. E. Dunbar. 1915. ExLib. 5x8. 133 pgs. Minor shelf wear to cvr. Lib pocket in rear and label on spine. The effects of the growth of the tin plate industry in the US on the Welsh tin plate industry. Price: $19.00 57. "A Treatise on the Use of Belting for the Transmission of Power". John Cooper. 1878. ExLib rebound. 5.5x9. 309 pgs. Heavily illust. Minor shelf wear to cvr, interior vg with lib pocket. Consists of excerpts from trade journals, cycolpedias and personal correspondence from engineers and mechanics. Just what you need when you design or re-belt you workshop. Price: $25.00 58. "Lives of The Engineers; Selections from Samuel Smiles". Thomas Parke Hughes, Ed. MIT Press. 1961. 5.5x8.5. 447 pgs. Annotated excerpts from the 1861 original two volume account of 19th C engineers by Samuel Smiles. Smiles gave a typically Victorian account of the development of James Brindley, Thomas Telford and John Rennie each from their boyhood through their engineering triumphs. Interesting accounts of Scottish life, of apprenticeship as millwrights and of the social and engineering politics of the time. Bridge, road and canal building. DJ frayed at upper edges. Book clean and vg. Price: $22.00 59. "De Re Metallica. by George Agricola" Translated by Herbert Clark Hoover and Lou Henry Hoover. Dover, 1950. 7x11. 672 pgs. 289 illustrations. DJ very frayed, someone taped it at one point. Minor bumped corners of book, else vg throughout. "The famous Hoover translation of the unabridged edition of the greatest treatise on technological chemistry, mining, geology and engineering of early modern times". First published in 1556, this is the Dover hardback edition. Price: $62.00 60. "Planecraft: Hand Planing by Modern Methods: Completely Revised and Enlarged" C. W. Hampton & E. Clifford. 8th printing courtesy Woodcraft Supply Corp., 1972. Original 1934/1959. 5.25x8. 255 pgs. SB. Minor cvr creases, interior vg. A brief history of woodworking planes followed by a comprehensive treatment of Record hand planes. A nice introductory book that contains many helpful hints. Price: $14.00 61. "The Young Mechanic: containing Directions for the use of all kinds of tools, and for the construction of steam engines and mechanical models, including the art of wood turning in wood and metal". by The Author (no kidding, that is how he signs this book. Apparently he was an instructor at Kings College in Britain). 5.5x8. 346 pgs. 1871/1877. Red cloth cvr with gilt and black embossing, Gilt illus of young man at a workbench using a plane. Cvr has average shelf wear, all gilt is intact. Interior vg without any foxing or staining. All in all a very nice copy of this title. I know that you have heard this from me before... but you should read this book. I particularly like the part on how to make a steam engine. Price: $42.00 Gary Roberts groberts@s... Boston, MA...Antique tools, Art Pottery, Hong Kong cinema, what else is there? ++++ End of thread 18821 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18822 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42623 (thread 18822) ---- From: Gary Roberts Date: 1998-05-04 04:31:00 Subject: FS: Toolemera Press Reprints The Toolemera Press Limited Edition Trade Catalog Reprints Gary Roberts 1077 South Street Roslindale, MA 02131 groberts@s... These are the currently available Toolemera Press reproductions. All reproductions are high quality photocopies taken from the orginal, not from a master. This technique produces a high level of line definition. Reproductions are on color matched paper, bound and cut to match the original size. Each reproduction has the date of publication. To order items from this list, please contact me at groberts@s.... I will ship your order upon receipt of payment, made out to Gary Roberts. All prices include domestic postage. International purchasers please note (including Canada and Mexico): Please specify method of payment. After I receive your email order, I will contact you if there will be a substantial difference in mailing costs. I also produce a monthly list of books and ephemera for sale. If you would like to receive this list, just yell. Gary Roberts,1077 South Street, Roslindale, MA 02131-2321 ....................................................................... Note... orders are shipped as soon as possible. It may take me a few weeks after the first of the month to catch up on orders. Please be patient. ....................................................................... Title: "Some Stanley Improved Carpenter' and Mechanics' Labor-Saving Tools: Stanley Rule & Level Co., Sole Manufacturers, General Offices & Works, New Britain, Conn, USA, New York Offices, 107 Chambers St." This pocket catalog is C.1905. Description: 3.5x6. 28 pgs includes cvr. Original has tan cvr with offwhite interior and yellow accents. Reprint has tan cvr and ivory interior. Stapled at fold. Contents: Stanley Mitre Boxes (description and prices), Planes (many of these planes hold 1905 patent dates): Bed Rock (round side), Bailey Adjustable (1902 patent), Bailey Wood (notes that extra plane woods can be ordered at small cost), 113, 20 1/2, 2o, 10 1/2, 10, 9 1/2, 9 3/4, 15, 15 1/2, 16. 17, 18, 19, 60 1/2, 65 1/2, 60, 65, 101, 100, 102, 103, 110, 120, 220, 130, 146, 147, 148, 39, 98, 98, 180, 181, 182, 190, 191, 192, 78, 12, 12 1/2, 112, 90, 92, 93, 94, 71, 71 1/2, 131, 340, 97, 45 (incl no. 6 nosing tool for the 45), 55, Concealed Ratchet Braces (with exploded view) 921, 911, Box ratchet braces 923, 913, Victor Ratchet Braces 935, 945, 955, Adjustable bit gauge 49, Angle Divider 30. End page has illustration of Bailey No. 4 Box copyright 1902. Price: $6.00 ....................................................................... Title: "Sargent Planes and Other Tools. Sargent & Company. New Haven, Conn. USA. Manufacturers of Hardware for More Than Sixty Years. High Grade Tools, Builders' Hardware, Etc.". This pocket catalog dates from the mid 1920's. The original is from the collection of Richard Burton, who was kind enough to allow me to use this pocket catalog for a Toolemera Press reprint. Description: 4.5" x 6.5". 78 pages. Tan cover with off white interior. The original has blue accents on the cover. The reprint cover is in black and white on tan paper with ivory interior papers. Both are stapled at the fold. Contents: The line of Adjustable planes (with parts list) including bench, auto-set (with or without the adjustable front knob., wood-bottom, block, rabbet (block, side and bull-nose), fillester, double side match, combination (with parts and cutter lists), circular, router, scraper, roughing. Also included are sundry items such as bench hooks, Aiken's saw set, screw drivers, awls, chisels, pincers, plumb bobs, clamps, bench screws, saw vises, carpenters squares. Price: $8.00 ....................................................................... Title: "Yankee" Fine Mechanics Tools and "Yankee - Handyman" Household Tools. No. 15 Dealers Costs - Suggested Retail Prices. Temporary Catalog. January, 15, 1947. North Bros. Mfg. Co., Division of the Stanley Works, Philadelphia 33, Pa., U.S.A. An 8 page, 7" x 9" dealers price list on light blue paper. The original appears to have been a photocopy taken from the standard Stanley catalog and reassembled as a temporary price list. The reprint is folded once and not stapled, as in the original. Included are: Bit brace, Bit extensions, Drills - automatic, Drills - hand and breast, Drills - bench and chain, Drills - reciprocating, Drill chucks, Repair parts, Screw Drivers - ratchet, Screw drivers - rigid, Screw drivers, phillips, Spiral screw drivers, Spiral screw driver accessories, Tap wrenches, Tools - offset, Vises. Each tool has the wholesale and suggested retail cost, either for a single item or as a boxed lot. (Ex: no. 1446 hand drill, wholesale price: $5.85, suggested retail price: $8.80). Each tool is keyed to a page number is the Stanley -Yankee catalog. Price: $4.55. ....................................................................... Title: Disston Pocket Catalog 40 pages, 3 1/8" by 5 1/2". Light green self cover (cover is of same weight paper as body papers), offwhite body pages. Two staples at fold. Very nice engravings throughout of tools along with 'shadowed' text and typical turn of the century Victorian engraving embellishments. Reproduced size = 3 1/8" by 5 1/2". Reproduced on light green and offwhite 20lb Hammermill brand paper. Stapled twice at fold as in original. Contents: Front cover depicts a D8 saw in the process of ripping a board. Rear cover depicts the D3 Filing Guide and Clamp, patent Dec. 12, 1893. #120 Acme Spring Steel Saw. #112 Hand Saw. #12 London Spring Steel Saw. #D100 Spring Steel Skew Back Saw. #D8 Skew Back Saw. #16 Spring Steel Saw. #8 Spring Steel Saw. #7 Cast Steel Beech Handle Saw. #D100 Ship Carpenters Saw. #43 Combination Saw (Plumb and level attachment, also lists #42 without attachments). #29 Hand Saw (includes straight edge, rule, scratch awl). #7 Gauge Saws (includes depth stop for tenoning, shouldering, dovetailing, etc) Backsaws... #4, Dovetail, Pattern Makers. Keyhole, Compass and Nesting Saws. #4 Mitre Box Saw. Disston Goods... #93 Mortise Gauge, #2 Bevel, #1 Try Square, #16 Level. Screwdrivers... Telegraph, Electric, Machinists. Triumph patented Saw Set. Monarch Saw Set. #1 Ball and Socket Saw filing Clamp. Saw Files And for your reading pleasure, the end of this pocket catalog includes a four page monologue: "The SAW, How to choose it and how to keep it in order, Being a series of Practical Hints to Mechanics." Price: $7.00. ....................................................................... Title: Langdon Mitre Box Co. price list, Mitre Box Directions, Mitre Box parts card, Mitre Box price tag and Envelope. Date: Appearance is turn of the century. No date on any of these items other than Patent date noted for the Langdon Mitre Box (February 27, 1883). Unfortunately I have not had time to thoroughly research the dating of this set. Description: The original set came in a 6 1/2" x 3 3/4" brown envelope through which a string was punched, presumably to so as to tie the set to the Mitre Box for display. I have reproduced each piece to size; the Price list on cream colored 20lb paper; the Mitre Box Directions and Parts List each on separate pieces of white 67lb card stock; the price tag and envelope are on opposing sides of one piece of white 67lb card stock. The Price list includes plates, descriptions and prices for each of the tools sold by the Langdon Mitre Box Co., C. C. Rogers, President, Geo. E. Rogers, Treasurer, Millers Falls, Mass, USA. It is approximately 13" x 5 1/2" and is a 3 fold list: The Rogers Mitre Planer. The Perfection Jointer Gauge.The Star Mitre Box. The Langdon Mitre Box. The New Langdon Mitre Box. The New Langdon Improved Mitre Box The Langdon Mitre Box Co. Directions includes directions for the Langdon, New Langdon and Improved Langdon Mitre Boxes. It is a 1 fold prochure, approximately 3 1/2" x 5 1/2" when closed. The Langdon Mitre Box Co. parts list for the Langdon, New Langdon and New Langdon Improved Mitre Boxes is a single 3 1/2" x 5 1/2" card with plates and parts listed on each side. The price tag is an unpriced Dennison tag for the Mitre box. The envelope is 3 1/2" x 5 1/2" with printing on one side only. Note that all pieces have a hole punched through one corner for string. The hole has been closed over as much as possible. You will see a slight mar in each piece that does not detract from the overall appearance and does not block any pertinent details. This set is cut to size and folded as in the originals. Price: $5.55 ....................................................................... Title: "Price List of Breast Drills, Braces, Ferrules. Etc., Etc. Manufactured by H. S. Bartholomew, Bristol, Conn. 190_." Description: 24 pages, 3 1/4" x 5 1/2" on ivory paper. Stapled as in the original. Very attractive type and decorations on the cover and illustrated throughout. The Bartholomew Ball Brace, Machinist Screw-Driver Brace, Bartholomew Cheap Grip Brace, Bartholomew Cheap Ratchet Brace, Bartholomew Medium Brace, Bartholomew Medium Ratchet Brace, Bartholomew Excellent Brace, Bartholomew Excellent Ratchet Brace, The Bartholomew Brace, Bartholomew Ratchet Brace, H. S. Bartholomew's Forged Steel Jaw Brace, Bartholomew's Forged Steel Jaw Ratchet Brace, Patent Differential Thread Bit Holder, H. S. Bartholomew's Differential Screw Brace, H. S. Bartholomew's Differential Screw Ratchet Brace, Armstrong's Patent Double Grip Brace, Armstrong's Patent Double Grip Brace with Ratchet, Two Motion Breast Drill with and without adjustable grip chuck, Double Geared Breast Drill, Malleable Ferrules. All of this in such a tiny package! I have to admit that this is one of my favorite catalogs. It is lovely to look at without being overdone in design. Sharp and clear print and copper plate etchings displaying Bartholomew's patented braces from 1861 through 1884. Price: $7.00. ....................................................................... "Suggestions On The Care Of Saws By C. C. Taintor, Inventor Of The Taintor Saw Set". Taintor Mfg. Company, 113 Chambers Street, New York. 1908, 24 pages. 3.25" x 6.5". Green cover, off white interior. Illustrated throughout. This reproduction is made to size, stapled at the fold. Cover is of green paper and interior is of ivory paper. The title page reads: "Hints on the Care of Saws With Suggestions for Jointing, Setting And Filing". C. C. Taintor is pictured throughout this booklet using his patented saw set. He looks somewhat like Ulysses S. Grant! Thoroughly illustrated. Describes how to care for saws using the Taintor Positive Saw Set with a brief review of what is wrong with the competitors models. Includes a description of the workings of the Taintor Positive Saw Set. Price: $7.00 ....................................................................... Title: "Catalogue and Price List of Genuine D. R. Barton Edge Tools made only by Mack Tool Co., Inc, 100 Brown's Race, Rochester, N.Y. (DR Barton stamp), All tools of our make are stamped as above. We do not make tools with special brands for anyone. September 1st, 1922" Description: Original - 6" x 9" on newsprint. Some foxing on cover. Reproduction - approx 5" x 8" on ivory paper, stapled at fold. 22 pgs plus self cover. Contents: Broad, hand, bench, pinning and flooring axes; hunters, shingle, half, lath and box hatchets; carpenters adzes; carpenters, coach, carriage, wagon makers and shingle draw knives; corner, socket framing and special manual training socket chisels; carpenters socket handle and trowel shank handled slicks; socket, firmer, millwrights, patternmakers and shipbuilders socket chisels; firmer, millwrights, patternmakers and ship builders socket gouges; patternmaker's long paring firmer chisels; turning chisels and gouges' turner's hustler chisels; patternmakers long paring firmer gouges; butt chisel, socket butt chisel; cast steel plane irons; Addis style carving tools; ship builders tools... adzes, axes, calking mallets, calking irons; brace bits... countersinks, reamers, screwdrivers. Price: $8.00 ....................................................................... Title: "Stanley Improved Labor Saving Carpenters' Tools including 'Bailey Adjustable Planes' ". Stanley Rule & Level Co. New Britain, Conn., U.S.A. Imp Pocket catalog, C. 1900, 20 pgs including cover, 3.5" x 6.25", tan cover with cream interior pages. Some foxing on rear cover and last page. Plumbs and Levels, Bedrock Planes (A New Style of Iron Bench Plane), Bailey Adjustable Planes, Bailey Wood Planes, Bailey Adjustable Block Planes, Stanley Iron Block Planes, Parts for Planes, Stanley Adjustable Circular Plane, Improved Victor Circular Plane, Stanley Cornering Tool, Stanley Carriage Makers' Rabbet Plane, Stanley Improved Scrub Plane, Adjustable Scraper Plane, Improved Rabbet Plane, Duplex Rabbet Plane and Fillester, Stanley Side Rabbet Plane, Stanley Adjustable Beading, Rabbet and Match Plane, Stanley Patent Universal Plane, Improved Dado Planes, Stanley Rabbet and Block Plane, Adjustable Cabinet Makers' Rabbet Plane, Woodworkers' Router Plane, Stanley Universal Spoke Shaves, Stanley Improved Butt Gauge, Improved Marking and Mortise Gauge. Price: $6.00 ............................................ Title: "Emmert Vises, Illustrated Facts", published by The Emmert Manfg. Co., Waynesboro, PA." C. 1901. Description: Original - 3.25" x 6.25". Orange cover, cream interior. Stapled at fold. Reproduction - 3.25" x 6.25". Red 60lb paper cover. Cream interior. Stapled at fold. 18 pgs including cover. Some foxng apparent on front cover of reproduction. Contents: Illustrated sales pamphlet for the Emmert Vise. Includes numerous testimonials. Brief descriptions of the suggested methods of work. Numerous clear engravings of the vise in all it's working positions. Illustrations are of the "turtle back" style vise mounted on a wood bench. Shown are boring (with a PS&W style brace), planing (with a handled wood smooth plane), chiseling and filing. Includes one page devoted to the rarely seen Emmert Handy Vise for farmers, carpenters and wagon makers. Price: $6.00 ............................................. Title: "Buck Bros. Edge tool catalog." 1894. "Stamped with the Buck's Head, Illustrated List of Tools Stamped Buck Bros. Cast Steel or Buck Brothers, Manufactured at the Riverlin Works, Millbury, Mass, USA, 1853 - 1893, Established 40 years, For Sale by Hardware Dealers throughout the United States. Beware of Imitation, Ask for Tools Stamped with the buck's Head, small tools that will not admit of being stamped with the Buck's head are stamped Buck Brothers in full. All of our boxes are labled with the Buck's head, which is out trade mark". In the corner there is a hole and print: "Hang this up." Description: Original - 5.75" x 9". Yellow cover, cream interior. Stapled at fold. Reproduction - 5.5" x 8.5". Canary 60lb paper cover. Cream interior. Stapled at fold. 12 pgs including cover. Some slight foxng apparent on corners of front cover of reproduction. Full rear cover engraving depicts the Riverlin Works Factory. Note that the original cover was printed at a slight angle. The reproduction is the same. I try to produce as precise a facsimile of the original as possible. Contents: Firmer chisels and gouges, Paring chisels and gouges, Turning tools, Beveled edge firmer chisels, Extra socket chisels and gouges, Socket Mortise chisels, Socket Deck or Ship Carpenters chisels, Carpenters slick, Millwrights socket firmer chisel, Corner chisel, plane iron, toothing iron, screw driver bits, nail sets, brace reamers, countersinks, punches, burnisher, London Style carving chisels and gouges. Price: $6.00 ....................................................................... Title #1: "Instructions for the use of Simonds Crescent Saw Tools". C. 1930. Instruction sheet for the use of the Simonds #340 lumber cross cut saw tool, the Simonds setting stake, the Simonds Spring Set and the Simonds Setting/Swaging Hammer. Text illustrated with steelplate engravings. 8.5" x 11" single page reproduced on blue paper as in the original. Title #2: "Atkins Excelsior Saw Tool No. 5". C. 1916. Instruction sheet for the use of the Atkins No.5 Excelsior Saw Tool, a combined cross cut saw Jointer, Raker Tooth Gauge and Side File. Includes instructions for use of Setting Block and Set Gauge. Text illustrated with steelplate engravings. 5.25" x 13.75" single page reproduced on yellow paper as in the original. Price: $4.00 Gary Roberts groberts@s... Boston, MA...Antique tools, Art Pottery, Hong Kong cinema, what else is there? ++++ End of thread 18822 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18823 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42624 (thread 18823) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 03:42:00 Subject: May F.S. List Here is the list of old tools I have for sale this month. I usually have the common bench and block planes so I don't list them separately but will respond to any request for them. I do a flea market or tool show almost every weekend and buy tools continously. Standard old tools terms apply. Also there will be another auction of 650 lots of tools and related items at Old Tools in Santa Monica on 6/20 and I have been promised that I will a copy of the list on disc so I can forward . I will be taking absentee bids for this auction for a fee of 10% of the bid amount or $10 per lot (whichever is greater) plus shipping. I will need deposits before bidding please e mail me after 5/24 for the list and complete absentee terms. Now... I got the following stuff for sale plus A lot more that I'm too lazy to type ADZES #1071 unmarked foot adze 6" wide good user condition. $50 CHISELS,GOUGES, and SLICKS #1038 Buck Bros. 1 1/2" with mahogany edge protector excellent $45 #1331 James Swan 1/8" sash mortise chisel $25 #1400 Addis V parting gouge nice shape never rusted about 1/2" V $35 DRAWKNIVES #1069 A. J. Wikinson 8" draw knife folding handle nice $65 #1310 James Swan 8" folding handle draw knife nice $75 #1401 No name 8" draw knife low miles ought to work ok light rust no pitting $20 if I don't have to clean it. BLOCK PLANES , REGULAR (these are just a few of the many I have on hand) #1320 Knapp Aluminum toy size block plane like Stanley 101 $20. #1326 Millers Falls #16 Like stanley # 9 1/2 excellent $32 #1340 Stanley #101 good + $32 #1402 Stanley #18 knuckle joint cap adjustable throat block plane ca. 1905 good= $32 #1403 Stanley # 9 1/2 adjustable throat block plane ca. 1905 nickel cap good+ $32 #1352 Stanley # 60 1/2 $50 LOW ANGLE BLOCK PLANES #1032 Craftsman # made by Millers Falls similar to Stanley #65 nice $60 #1327 Stanley #65 type 2 1905-1911 pre knuckle joint cap $100 #1404 Stanley #65 knuckle joiont cap $65 #1405 Defiance #1148 made only 1950-53 near mint $35 COMPASS PLANES #1307 Stanley #113 ca. 1925 good linkage and sole lots of japan and iron $125 FORE PLANES (BEDROCKS LISTED SEPARATELY) #1022 Stanley # A6 aluminum good wood little corrosion owners initials scratched in the bed $225 #1336 Seigley #6 repaired tote $65 JACK PLANES only a few of the many Stanley,Sargent and Millers Falls I have. 5 and 5C usually $40-$45 (BEDROCKS LISTED SEPARATELY) #1406 Stanley # 5 1/2 C ca. 1910 with V marked iron good wood and metal $75 #1407 Stanley #5 1/4 sweetheart ca 1931-35 $75 JOINTER PLANES (usually have 7's)(BEDROCKS LISTED SEPARATELY) #1070 8C ca. 1899 long original iron $95 MATCH PLANES #1408 Stanley #48 with 3 new cutters good user $65 MOLDING PLANES #1359 S.cumings 1 1/2 X 7/8 complex molder bevel and ogee four stars per Pollack $125 RABBET PLANES, ALL TYPES #1409 Stanley #75 $32 #1362 Stanley # 10 1/2 excellent wood full length iron $175 #1342 Stanley # 10 full iron excellent wood $175 #1410 Stanley #140 nice lots of iron all correct $125 #1411 Stanley #140 fine user side plate screws replaced $110 #1412 Millers Falls 07 nice shape $120 ROUTER PLANES #1360 Stanley # 71 complete with all cutters and parts in user made box WWII vintage $65 SMOOTHING PLANES (lots more: 3's $50 and up and 4's $40 and up)(BEDROCKS LISTED SEPARATELY) #1413 Stanley #3 just post war with black hardwood handle super user $50 SCRAPER PLANES #1339 #12 good wood longe replacement iron plugged hang hole $75 BEDROCK PlANES #1359 #607 round side smooth cap long 1892 marked iron $175 #1414 # 607 flat top ca.1936 with full nickel on cap long iton good ++ wood nice metal no pits $225 #1415 # 7C type 1 bedrock ca. 1898 smooth cap long 1892 iron nice wood and metal $200 #1416 #605 C flat top type 7 or 8 was rusty but cleaned up nice $125 NEW REPLACEMENT PARTS #1001 short rods for #45 $12 pair #1002 long rods for #45 $15 pair #1003 plow cutters for #45 to 3/4" $7.50 ea. over 3/4 $9 ea. #1004 cutters for #48 or #49 $15 set or $6 ea. ++++ End of thread 18823 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18824 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42625 (thread 18824) ---- From: FrankSronce Date: 1998-05-04 04:54:00 Subject: FS: Books & Goodies 5/98 Following items are for sale. Old tools standard terms apply. Dado Planes Stanley 39-3/4 dado plane. Type 3. All pieces are there. Slight surface rust on spurs; otherwise in great shape. Most of japanning still there. $150. Stanley 39-1 dado plane. Type 2. In good shape with following exception: right hand spur has 7/32 inch piece missing above and to the right of the bottom screw. Some surface rust. Needs cleaning. Larger size 39s more expensive. Price reduced due to spur damage. $185 Keen Kutter jointer gage (similar to Stanley #386). Has most of japanning on upper section that attaches to the plane. Fence has no japanning. Can't find my one KK book, so I don't know if fence had japanning originally. $100 BOOKS COUNTRY FURNITURE: Aldren Watson, paperback edition of 1974 classic. $12. FWW TECHNIQUES: Volumes 1, 2, 3, & 5. Hardback. Read all the early years of FWW without the ads. Out of print for years. $25 each or $85 for all four. THE WOODWRIGHT'S ECLECTIC WORKSHOP. Roy Underhill. Paperback, 1991, 238 pgs. $10.00 THE IMPRACTICAL CABINETMAKER: John Krenov (enough said). Hardback, 1979, 160 pages. $20.00 A REVERENCE FOR WOOD: Erick Sloane, paperback, 1965, 111 pages. Some spots on cover, rest of book ok. Originally sold for $2.95; now $10.00. ++++ End of thread 18824 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18825 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42626 (thread 18825) ---- From: Phil Hopkins Date: 1998-05-04 05:13:00 Subject: FS & WTB Howdy, Rapacious Ones, I've got a few things I would like to sell, and a few things I'd like to buy (sorta figured that out from the subject line, didn' cha?) I'm moving into a new place (with a TWO CAR SHOP --- YEAH!) and I don't want to move these things with me. WANT TO BUY: - Phillips head brace bit #2 - Phillips head #2 and #1 for Yankee #30 - Center bits -- 1/4, 9/16, 5/8, 3/4, 1-1/8, >1-1/4 - Russell Jennings #4 and #8 Medium or Fine lead, lots of spur, level cutting lips. I want 'em nice and crispy! FOR SALE: DADO PLANE -- Somebody buy this dado plane from me. It's about as crispy as they come, and I'm sure there's lots of you guys out there using 4/4 rough sawn, and you may just want to take those down to 7/8 rather than 3/4, and when you do, you'll need a 7/8" dado. Well, I got just the thing for ya! Greenfield Tool Co, #265 7/8" dado, with brass depth adjustment Original wedges, very crisp edges, straight and clean. I haven't touched this one, and it's practically ready to use, but if you like, I'll sharpen the blades and send 'er out ready to dado! $40 BOX O' BRACES -- I sold some bits a while back, 'cause I got too many. Well, I definitely got too many braces, so I'm selling a box lot of four 10 inchers. (Don't worry, that'll still leave me with three 10 inchers -- and I think that's all we need to count at one time!) You know you need several with your favorite bits in each for no-wait-until-you-load boring -- at least that's what I tell my wife. - Stanley No. H1250, stained hardwood, ratcheting, 99% nickel in very nice condition with the least play in the chuck of all my braces. - Bridge Tool Co. BN 10, beech, non-ratcheting universal, 85% nickel, I've used this one lots and she works good. Initials carved into head held on by clinched nails. - Unknown maker (looks like a Pexto chuck), beech, non-ratcheting universal, with a very large, nicely shaped head, no nickel and very dark patina. Not a great brace, but I like its head. - Unknown maker, Made in USA, ratcheting universal, beech, no nickel and very dark with some rust. Very old repair job to the shaft at the head, but it turns smooth. This is a rough one, but it's usable. $20 for the lot, and I'll throw in a big ol' Stanley Phillips brace bit and a Stanley No. 139 3/4" brace rose-head countersink that needs some regrinding since some knuclehead ground it without relief (it wasn't me!). CLAPBOARD MARKER -- Any of you house-builders or timber-framers out there need a Stanley #88 clapboard gauge? This one's in nice shape, ready to mark clapboards. I'll take $15 for it. Standard terms. Phil Who promises not to buy another brace ...... unless it's really, really nice..... ++++ End of thread 18825 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18826 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42627 (thread 18826) ---- From: buzzmk Date: 1998-05-04 05:14:00 Subject: FS Here is my list - I've tried to be as honest as humanly possible - standard terms apply. Unless specified otherwise I will ship UPS ground - closer, faster & more reliable ;-) 1) Stanley 4C type 11, user condition, nice rosewood - three tight checks in knob, probably caused by age. Tote has an extremly clean break, lower center, good glue job, you have to look to find it. Correct blade, pitted at the business end, almost 2" of it left though - if you really want to you could salvage it - I'd be tempted to slap in a Hock blade. 70 to 75% japaning, moderate pitting on the sides - sole is in great shape - I've already lapped it - nice overall patina. $25.00 + 5.00 for shipping/insurance. 2) Stanley 4 type 17, WWII type, good user condition, Good red stained hardwood - 95% laquer left - though has the standard minor tool box dings. Blade is good shape & has about two good inches left. This one has a nickeled lever cap with about 50 to 60% remaining. This plane has no frog adjustment nor is the body tapped for the adjusting screw. 70 to 75% japaning remaining - nice patina - all parts seem to match & be original. $45.00 plus $5.00 for shipping/insurance. 3) Wards Master 4, if this plane wasn't made by Stanley I'll clean your shop. This plane closely matches the details of the plane above - #2. The exceptions are the brand name marking, a one piece lateral adjustment lever & a standard weight main casting. This plane has the same foundry marks as #2, every dimension is identical - Including the red stained hardwood, the single piece mounting screws for the wood, the hard rubber depth adjusting knob & the lack of an adjustable frog. The wood has several lateral stress crack, all well & tightly glued, about 35 or 40% japaning left & nice even patina. Blade is servicable & has plenty left great user. $11.00 OBO + $5.00 for shipping/insurance. 4) Nice little beech coffin smoother 5 7/8" long, 1 1/2" blade marked Sheffield Made, some rust but not at the business end, wood is tight with no checks or cracks - no marking of any kind. Nice shape $12.00 OBO + $3.50 shipping/insurance 5) User made rosewood skew rabbit plane. 9 5/8 x 3 3/8 x 1 1/4, blade is almost 1/4" thick & has no pitting on the business end. The wood is very nice - has one chip on the front edge a 1/4 x 1/8 x 1 7/8 wedge shaped - nice tight mouth about 1/16 or less. Makes nice shavings. $30.00 OBO + $ 5.00 shipping & handling 6) 90J bullnose plane - English - virtually new in box - $20.00 OBO + 3.50 shipping Buzz Keever ++++ End of thread 18826 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18827 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42628 (thread 18827) ---- From: buzzmk Date: 1998-05-04 05:23:00 Subject: WTB WTB - American made Stanley 93 or 92. I don't need anything collectable / a sound user will suffice. Buzz Keever ++++ End of thread 18827 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18828 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42630 (thread 18828) ---- From: Becky & Tim Hammond Date: 1998-05-04 06:19:00 Subject: WORTH block plane and some neat books Short version: found an interesting plane some cool books. Long version: Drove down to the northwestern suburbs of Seattle (a.k.a Anchorage) this weekend for a bird dog get together. Mother nature sent a reminder that we were still close to Alaska, though, and I couldn't talk those city folks into setting birds in a snow storm, so I had to find some way to kill a three day weekend. Antique shops and used book stores are rare in Anchorage, but they're really rare here in Fairbanks, so I hit every one I could find between Denali National Park and the Gulf of Alaska. The most interesting find was a cute little block plane with WORTH stamped in the top of the iron. It had a beech? knob on the front, and a very worn cast-iron wheel about 2.5 inches across for tightening the iron. The iron was really thin its entire length. I've never seen an iron so thin before. It appeared to have been used fairly recently, though. The iron was razor sharp, and the sole was clean, even though the upper end of the iron was pretty rusty, and all the japanning (if there ever was any) was gone. Anyone know anything about WORTH block planes? The only other tool of interest was a Stanley 190 in really poor shape. I had much better luck in the used book stores: American Woodworking Tools by Paul Kebabian and Dudley Witney. I've been an old tools user for a several years now, but never paid much attention to the collecting side until I started eavesdropping on the porch, so this was an exciting find for me. You guys must be sending subliminal messages in your e-mail. Woodworking technology, a 1966 textbook on woodworking that contains, among other interesting things, a chapter on pattern making. Basic Woodworking Processes, by Herman Hjorth, a 1935 textbook that has lots of good basic galoot wisdom. The Art of Wood Turning, by William Klenke, c 1937. File Filosophy and How to Get the Most Out of Files: being a brief account of the History, Manufacture, Variety, and Uses of files in general. 1943. Nicholson File Company. Learned lots of things I never knew in here (like, at the time of printing, Nicholson files were marketed under 14 different brand names). All this from 37 antique shops and 12 used book stores. And you guys think _you're_ in old tool hell? -- Tim ++++ End of thread 18828 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18829 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42631 (thread 18829) ---- From: Lawrie Silverberg Date: 1998-05-04 06:19:00 Subject: FMM insomnia It's Monday, May 4, 5:45 a.m. I've been up sisnce 4:30 a.m. and so far no FMM posts. Did I miss something from the list moms?????????? It's going to be a very long day at the office. Lawrie ++++ End of thread 18829 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18830 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42632 (thread 18830) ---- From: Trevor Robinson Date: 1998-05-04 09:49:00 Subject: FS May 1998 Standard terms. When item is received, notice the postage on the package, and add that to the price. Orders will be honored in the order that they are logged in. Starred items at beginning of list are leftovers, most of them reduced in price. I am leaving for EAIA early Wednesday, so orders may not be shipped until next week; but for any customer who will be in Scranton, I can bring your order along and save the postage. *Side-hollow plane by Fox & Washburn. It makes an elliptical ovolo 5/8 by 1/4 in. Some boxing has been replaced. $8. *Sawset, Disston Triumph 7 1/4Ó. If the anvil ever had numbers, they are now worn away, but everything else is undamaged. $8. Sawset, Taintor No. 7, the one recommended in FWW last August. $10. Compass plane, shallow radius, 7 1/2 in. long. Dark wood looks like some kind of fruitwood rather than beech. Body is marked , blade by Newbould. $15. Group of 10 hollow and round planes. I would like to keep these together because they all belonged to Connecticut boatmaker P. J. Burr, and all but one have his stamp. They are as follows: 1 1/2in. pair, W. H.Pond, New Haven (1 star maker) 1 1/8in. pair, Greenfield No. 14 7/8in. pair, W. H. Pond 5/8in. hollow by Pond, matched with 5/8in. round by G. W. Denison 1/2in. hollow by Pond 1/4in. round by Pond All ten for $130. Moving fillister by W. H. Pond, also stamped P. J. Burr. Boxed corner shows wear but not enough to be a problem. $35. Double match plane, coming and going, for 5/8 In. stock. Phoenix Company No. 84, owner P. J. Burr. Fine condition. $25. 3/8 in. side-bead, solid boxed, by W. H. Pond, owner P. J. Burr. Wood is all fine, and the boxing as nice as you can find. $15. Sidebead 3/16 Inch, solid boxed, by Union Factory. No damage to main body, no wear to boxing, and a hard size to find. $15. 3/16 in. side-bead by Greenfield, owner P. J. Burr. Not quite as nice as the previous one, but certainly good+. $12. 5/8 in. side-bead by Howland, owner P. J. Burr. Good+ $12. 7/8 inch, two-bladed nosing plane by Ohio Tool No. 91. Good+. $20. 1 1/4 round, Greenfield No. 18. A little dirty and minor fine cracks but otherwise good+. $15. 1/4 in. hollow, Lamb & Brownell No. 2 size. A great size for easing corners. $15. Combination tool handle, KeenKutter with 6 tools. Cocobolo handle has two small cracks. KeenKutter is one of the best of these tools in utility and appearance. $30. Plow plane by Birch & Son (Birmingham around 1860). Wedged slide arms. One arm is missing about 3/4 in. from the end. Wedges should be replaced. Everything else is good+. Unmatched set of 8 blades included (mostly Greaves). $65. Spokeshave, Bailey No. 1 with Stanley Rule and Level blade. Japanning maybe 30%. Thumb screw not original (has a flat grip rather than the screw-eye type). $10. Plier-type leather punch with 6 sizes, all of them sharp. $3. Combination square, Stanley current production. Level and scriber intact. $5. Chalk line/plumb bob, "STRAIT-LINE" by Irwin Co., $3. Chalk line/plumb bob "CHALK-O-MATIC" by Stanley, $3. Rosewood/brass handled try square, 7 1/2 in. graduated blade, small chip at end of handle. $4. Trevor Robinson 65 Pine Street Amherst, MA 01002 ++++ End of thread 18830 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18831 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42633 (thread 18831) ---- From: Trevor Robinson Date: 1998-05-04 09:49:00 Subject: WTB Still looking for: J. M. Taber hollows and rounds in sizes 28-30, 34-38, #20 round only Greenfield side-beads 7/16 and 1 1/4 The long arm for a Stanley 100A demountable framing square Trevor ++++ End of thread 18831 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18832 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42634 (thread 18832) ---- From: Tom Johnson Date: 1998-05-04 10:18:00 Subject: Hammer ID + gloat The gloat is just this; I was done with one shop and had gone on down the street to the next while my SWMBO lagged behind. When she caught up to me she asked "Did you see that tiny little hammer in that last shop?" No. So,...I overcame all my resistance to going back..the self talk about c($*&m kids toys etc. : my pride in never missing a tool.... went back, and here was this little hammer. So the gloat is my SWMBO who is getting better eyes for this than I have ! The hammer is tiny.....must be a jewelers hammer. The face is just under 1/2 inch dia and the head is 2 7/8 long with a long tapering straight peening tail to it. Total length is 7 1/2 with a nice oak handle. This thing is precise. The machine work to make this thing is beautiful to behold..... LOGO? Can't make it out. There are two names with a star between them followed by a "C" that looks more like a crescent moon. I MAY be able to decipher a few letters in the name after zapping, but I wanted to avoid zapping if possible since the patina is so nice. Does the logo prompt an obvious ID for anyone? Thanks Tom ++++ End of thread 18832 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18833 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42635 (thread 18833) ---- From: Bhermanek Date: 1998-05-04 10:18:00 Subject: FS: Bill Hermanek's tools list THIS IS MY LATEST LIST OF ANTIQUE TOOLS THAT I HAVE FOR SALE. PRICES DO NOT INCLUDE SHIPPING AND HANDLING. My terms are: you e-mail me with the items your interested in and I will guesstimate the shipping costs to you. You then send me a check for the full amount . When I receive your check I'll send out your tool or tools to you within a couple of days. If you do not like what I send you please let me know immediately and I will try to resolve it with you, but please let me know first. STANLEY TOOLS DESCRIPTION CONDITION PRICE #77 Dowel cutter machine in original box, with the 3/8 cutter head Exc. $300.00 Four Square jack plane exc. $40.00 Four Square block plane exc. $30.00 Handle for #1 plane exc. $35.00 #12-1/2 scraper plane, no wood sole and no blade good $25.00 #85 Scraper Plane, the best one I’ve ever had, the best for any collection (at an unbelievably reduced price) Exc. $700.00 #62 low angle bench plane, tip off tote, cleaned and ready to be sharpened and honed good+ $295.00 #A18 block plane Exc. $155.00 #1203 Defiance smoother, here’s another no excuse plane Exc. $30.00 #1 Odd Jobs, missing pointer Exc. $85.00 1955 original catalog exc. $40.00 1953 original catalog exc. $45.00 #13-052, Rabbeting combination plane, with 10 blades, in sleeve,english, partial box remains mint $85.00 #13-050, English version of the #45,has 18 cutters in the sleeve, also has the conversion kit for 8 extra cutters, this tool is mint and has all the bells and whistles, conversion kit and cutters are in original boxes mint $105.00 #112 scraper plane (early S.R.&L. stamp on blade, tight crack in handle) good + $165.00 #98 and #99 side rabbet planes, slight flaking of nickel on one plane other one in exc. Condition, with depth stops exc. $180.00 #59 doweling jig in the box, Box is only fair, jig is exc. Exc. $25.00 TOOLS by OTHER MAKERS mitre plane, English, mahogany infill, skewed mouth exc. $155.00 slitting gage, all wood, with roller good + $45.00 Mahogany panel gage with ornate head exc. $45.00 bevel gage, brass, mahogany and steel, Fenton & Marsden are the makers, Rare because ther is no slot for up and down adjustment of blade exc. $30.00 Screwdriver with 4 blades, rare ,patented exc. $115.00 bevel square, eagle brand, cast iron good+ $40.00 Coachmakers router with saw tooth blade, super rare, French exc. $150.00 wood die, 1-1/8" mint $35.00 Low angle English mitre plane ,mahogany infill exc. $155.00 BILL HERMANEK 31 WILDWOOD LA. ,SMITHTOWN, N.Y. 11787 (516) 360-1216 e-mail address: BHERMANEK@A... (ANY ITEM MAY BE RETURNED WITHIN 7 DAYS FOR A FULL REFUND) SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED PLEASE MAKE CHECKS PAYABLE TO Bill Hermanek ++++ End of thread 18833 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18834 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42636 (thread 18834) ---- From: SANFORD MOSS Date: 1998-05-04 10:37:00 Subject: FS: My Daughter's Dowry GGs, Here is my May's FMM forsale list. As always, Standard Oldtools (Leach) Terms. Please send your mailing address when ordering as I try to get things shipped as soon as possible. The descriptions here center on any faults I've seen in the tools. More complete descriptions and pictures of all the listings can be found on my web page at: http://134.88.12.107/tools/tfs.htm PLANES & SHAVES P1 - Stanley #7 (type 4, 1874-1884) Jointer Plane Dating from the 1880s this plane is true to type in every regard sans the blade (P), which is a slightly later replacement. Perfect tote and knob, small paint splatters, and perhaps 80% of the japaning remains. Price - $75.00 P2 - Stanley Defiance #3 size plane Perfect wood and little prior use. No rust and lots of blade left. About 70% of the body japaning remains. Give a GIT a Gift. Price - $15.00 P3 - Stanley #51 Spokeshave. The japaning is near 100%, the proper nut, clean and complete. Good blade. Price - $ 20.00 P4 - Near Miniature Round Plane (1/8" radius). Almost a miniature. 5 3/8" long by 2"deep, this little yellow birch molder cuts a hollow with about a 1/8" radius. Iron wedge are perfect. Some light scratches and minor dings from a life in a tool box. Good+. Price - $20.00 P5 - Lamb & Brownell 3/4" casing plane The 9 1/2" plane is easily in good+ condition with only 1 small rough edge on the otherwise perfect wedge to mar it. Nice patina, clean blade. Price $35.00 P6 - Stanley #5 Jack Plane, Type 13 Tote horn MIA. Beyond that >90% of japaning, no rust or pitting, knob is great with only a minor ding, the sweetheart blade with 2" of good steel left, and the sole is clean and crack free. A nice plane for the money (or even for more money). Price $30.00 P7 - Stanley #3 Smoothing Plane, early Type 11 This last of the low knobs has more than 98% of the body japaning (less on the frog), and 2 1/4" of good blade. The wood is excellent A very nice smoother for the shop. Good+ Price $45.00 P8 - 1" Nosing Plane, Union Factory Chapin Stephens No. 133 This beech, 9 1/2" nosing plane is in good+ condition, marred only by a partial crack in each of the two wedges, and some minor dings on one side. Price - $20.00 P9 - Pr. John M. Taber 7/8" Match Planes. Both members of this pair are in Good+ condition, with only very miner dings and user stamps. The patina is good and the wedges are near perfect. The metal fences and skates are also in very good condition, with only minor areas of fine pitting. Price - $45.00 CHISELS & GOUGES C1 - Buck Bros. 7/8" Socket Firmer Chisel. A wonderful chisel 12 1/4" long with 5" of working blade. The fruitwood handle has only a few minor dents (no chips) and a full 3/4" of leather. Easily in good+ condition. Price - $19.00 C2 - Set of 6 regular sweep Buck Bros crank neck incannel gouges. In the following widths: 1/8", 3/16"; 1/4"; 3/8"; 5/8"; & 1". All fruitwood (one cherry) handles are clean . The 3/8" gouge has a significant chip in the edge & will have to be reground. Price reduced to: $150.00 C3 - Set of 5 shallow sweep Buck Bros crank neck incannel gouges. In the following working widths: 1/4", 1/2", 1", 1 1/4", & 1 1/2". All handles are clean and made of fruitwood except for the 1 1/4" size which has a hickory handle. Priced reduced to: 125.00 BORING TOOLS B1 - S.W. Card Co. Die Stock. Marked "No. 4", and "S.W. Card, Mansfield, Mass." this 17" wrench is in good+ condition. Packed in a red fingerjointed box with sliding lid (perhaps original?), this includes an extension handle. Price - $25.00. B2 - Millers Falls No. 12 Breast Drill. This nice old breast drill measures 17" overall and has the model number No. 12 "Improved," on the chuck along with 2 1909 patent dates. It is two speed, with an attached level. Some japaning remains on the split frame, and this one has the old MF green paint on the gear wheel with some decorative trim remaining--three position handle and nice cocobolo wood on the handle. The auxillary handle is MIA. Good+. Price - $30.00 B3 - Goodell-Pratt Pushdrill. Marked "Goodell Pratt Company, TOOLSMITHS, Greenfield, Mass" on the barrell of the tool. On the upper end of the handle, the inscription reads, "Goodell Pratt Company, Greenfield, Mass, U.S.A., Pat'd Dec. 28, 1915". The tool is in good+ condition. Two bits remain in the magazine, which can hold 8. Price - $15.00 B4 - Goodell-Pratt Eggbeater Drill. The small size (10" length), delicacy and extra nice condition of this Ovumhandgekranckenscplattermacher make this one of the nicest I've seen. Delicate 3-jawed chuck, gear wheel with nearly all of its original red paint; lots of nickel on the shaft, and great cocobolo wood on all three handles. Only 2 bits in the hollow handle, but this is worthy of a collection. Good++ at least. Price - $55.00 B5 - Goodel-Pratt Chain Drill. If you ever thought you would like a chain drill, this is the one. In almost new condition (>90% japan, 100% Nickel), this is the nicest one I've seen. With the G-P "Toolsmiths" mark, and the patent date, Aug 13, 1895. Fine. Price - $35.00 B7 - No Name Breast Drill (nice) This tool is equipped with exceedingly nice cocobolo wood handles, and the shaft and two-jaw chuck retain better than 95% of the original nickel finish--which is very unusual. Traces of red paint remain on the gear wheel and on the underside of the breast plate A nice breast drill. Price $18.00 B8 - Boxed set of Irwin Auger Bits. The 13 bits are all clean, no rust, and sharp, marred only by some chuck jaw marks around the tangs. W.H.C., who owned these, kept them well. All are stamped--The "Irwin" Bit, Rg. U.S. Pat. Off. The box is clean, with the Irwin breadbox ends to the lid, the inside of which has a perfect old black label. A nice set, Good+ at least. Price - $100.00 B9 - Stanley/Fray #61 Bit Brace, 6" Sweep. This is a brace for the Stanley collector. In addition to being in the uncommon 6" sweep size, it is a John S. Fray brace that was marked by Stanley after their takeover of the Fray company in 1909. This brace is not listed in Walter, but it is clearly stamped, "Stanley Rule & Level Co, New Britain, Conn" opposite the Fray mark. The brace has excellent cocobolo wood, and more than half its original nickel. Good+. Price - $100.00 B10 - Boxed set of Irwin Auger Bits This set of 13 nice solid center auger bits are individually marked "Irwin USA", except for one outlyer, which is the 5/16 size. The 1/4 bit is also abherrent in that the tang was ground down by some idiot. Otherwise nice condition, being shiny, sharp, and having only an occasional spot of light storage rust. Box is finger-jointed oak with all its original green labels, inside and out, marked "The Irwin Auger Bit Company, Wilmington, Ohio, USA". Price - $60.00 Rules, Gages, Bevels, & Layout R1 - Stanley Key Tape A nice gift for the Stanley collecter. Stanley key tape (#30-141), new and unopened in its original package. Price - $10.00 R2 - Lufkin #8203 1/10 Shrink Rule This 24"+ rule is brass-bound on the ends, The only fault is a few small smears of black paint that will probably clean off. Marked, Lufkin, Made in USA. Price $10.00 R3 - Lufkin # 881EM fourfold rule This fully brass-bound, 2 ft, 61 cm, arch joint boxwood rule is marked both "Made in USA", and "London". It is tight, fairly clean (and will clean to be much better), and well marked. Only a couple of small dings in the brass, its main fault a missing alignment pin (which is not unusual). A nice rule. Price - $35.00 R4 - Stanley #21 Combination Square--Early. This poor square has lost its japaning and is moderately pitted throughout the blade (which is readable). What makes it interesting is the V logo that dates it from the earliest days of its manufacture. This one is so early it has no provision for a scratch awl. Type 1. Good-. Price - $15.00 R5 - 9" Try Square. Not marked, Stanley, this is a dead ringer for the #18 in the usual 9" size. Good wood, good brass, blade is lightly pitted in places, but is readable. A user. Price - $5.00 R6 - Rosewood Mortise Gage. Unmarked, but surely a Stanley #78 with great brass and nice wood. The only apologies are owners stamps (I can count at least three different ones), and a missing fixed pin (easily repaired). Good+. Price - $35.00. R7 - Stanley #61 Beechwood Marking Gage. Marked with the SweetHeart logo this is so clean and little used it still has traces of the price label on it. Fine. $10.00 R8 - Stanley #68 2' four-fold Rule. Easily in Good+ condition this has just some slight staining on one side. Good pins. Price - $15.00 R9 - #68 lookalike 2' four-fold Rule. Some staining around the brass hinges present the only fault with this unmarked rule. Good for the tool box. Price - $5.00 R10 - General #520 Steel Trammel Points (In Original Box) They only suffer some light storage rust on the knurled knobs that will clean right off. Marked No. 520, Made in USA, there are some slight scratches from rattling around in the box with a loose extra adjusting nut. The yellow box is in good condition with some fraying of the edges and some slight tearing of the original label. Price $33.00 R11 - Disston 10" Bevel Square The blade is marked "Disston & Sons, Phila. U.S.A." The brass is perfect, and the rosewood handle has a couple of dings and two tack holes. The major detraction is a replaced, incorrect blade locking nut. Better than it sounds. Price $10.00 R12 - Stanley #13 1/2 2-fold Caliper Rule This is a nifty little 6" rule, the wood of which is in new condition. The brass is marred just from the blistering of the original lacquer finish. Walter lists this rule from $50 to $150, and given its condition, this one should be closer to the upper value. However, there is another flaw--a small piece of brass that has cracked off the binding on the underside of the caliper. Price $40.00 R13 - Cloth 50' Tape Measure. This tape is unmarked, but the reel is brass bound with green painted sides (nice). The tape is dirty for the first few feet, but can be cleaned. Good. Price - $10.00 SAWS & STUFF S1 - "Eclipse" 4S tool Manufactured in Enland by Eclipse, this set of slitting and slotting tools is easily in good+ condition. The box has some dirty spots, that will clean, and some minor scrapes in the paint. Price= $15.00 S3 - Simonds Saw A nice, old and used 26" Simonds rip saw. It has a history of so many sharpenings that bottom of the logo (which is clearly etched), carrying the model # has been sharpened away, leaving an inch of steel at the toe. The nicely carved handle is in good+ condition with only miniscule chips and 4 split brass nuts. A good, straight, usable saw that has many sharpenings left in the blade. Price $10.00 S4 - Stanley #406 Hacksaw. A funky later model with tubular frame (that doubles as a spare blade holder) and three-tone color scheme (chrome frame, brown handle, yellow plastic bolsters on the handle). Three extra new blades are stored in this one. Fine. Price - $9.00 BLUNT INSTRUMENTS H2 - HUD Hatchet This nice hatchet with 18" inch handle is marked HUD and 1914 inside embossed diamonds on the head. In good+ condition. Price $8.00 H3 - Armee Francaise Claw Hatchet Be the first on the block to own one of these--a genuine French army hatchet, The hatchet looks new and unused. The blade, which is deeply stamped "Armee Francaise, Forval", has never been sharpened and the claw is relatively crudely machined, suggesting that the tool is intended for demolition rather than hewing--it is definitely a blunt instrument. Price $10.00 BOOKS BK2 - Rogers Erecting & Operating Machinery This is a 1927 reprint of a fascinating work, the complete title of which is: "Erecting and Operating. An educational treatise for constructing engineers, machinists, millwrights and master builders", by William Rogers. 601 pp. In good+ condition Price- $20.00 BK3 - Popular Science: How to Get the Most Out of Your Home Workshop Published in 1946 by Popular Science,. 131 pages. Except for some slight foxing, in fine condition. Price - $10.00 MISCELLANEOUS M1 - Peck, Stow & Wilcox 8" Tin Snips. These working tin snips are clearly marked, "P.S.&W. Co, Forged Steel, East Berlin, Conn". They are in as nice a condition as you will fine. Good+. Price - $8.00. M2 - Stanley #28 Cornering Tool . It's very useful to carry in your pocket to roundover the sharp edges of conference tables during boring meetings. In good+ condition with just a tiny hint of some nickel lifted in the center of the tool. Price. $19.00 M3a - This is a massive unmarked stainless steel bob, with a machined knurled screw insert for hanging. Five inches long, and three inches wide at the shoulder, it suffers only a few dings from the tool box. Price - $60.00 M3b - A brass, steel pointed bob that is unmarked except for the stamped initials, J.C.O. that are probably on owner's mark. It is five inches long, tapering to 1.5 inches at the shoulders, and weighs perhaps 16oz. Good+. Price - $20.00 M3c - Another brass, steel-tipped bob, this one is smaller than the one above (4" x 1.5"), and weighs about 8oz. This one has a screw-in brass insert for the line attachment,. It is nice with very few & very small dings. Good+ at least. Price - $16.00 M3d - Unmarked japaned small bob. This iron bob is thickly japaned and has an integral hanging hole. 2 1/2" long by 1 1/2" wide. There are some dings and scratches in the japaning, but better than 95% of it remains. Price - $12.00 M3e - A little brass, steel pointed bob, 2 3/4" x 1 1/8" at the shoulder. Stamped, "L.S." at least, it has some dings, but is nice. Price - $10.00 M4 - P.S.& W. Co - Set of Three Coe's-type Wrenches. These 10" Coes-style wrenches are of exactly the same style, age and condition. They are heavily stamped "Cleveland, O. U.S.A." in addition to the P.S.&W. Co. mark, and are in exceptionally good condition for tools of this sort. Only a few dings on the jaws and hammer backs keep these from being fine. The set consists of 8", 10", and 12" sizes. See MJD at $55.00 apiece. Price - The set, (all three) $ 28.00 M6 - Early Shop Light Protector (unique) A metal shop light protector with an intricate, perhaps handwrought grillwork. The tool carries a patent date of "8-22-16This is such a galootinous shop addendum that you might be tempted to put a candle in it! Price $18.00 M8 - Stanley #700 Woodworkers Vise (new) This is the latest version (blue finish) in absolutely new condition. Just the vise to take to the office to show off the IT and your dovetailing skills. Price $ 22.00 Sandy Moss smoss@u... phone 508-999-8218 (office) 508-636-2030 (home) 398 River Road Westport, MA 02790=20 ---- Start of Message 44229 (thread 18834) ---- From: Dave Weisbord Date: 1998-06-01 17:15:00 Subject: Re: FS: My daughter's dowry >M2 - Stanley #28 Cornering Tool. Almost 100% nickel. >Good++ Price - $19.00 If this is a SW I would like it (to go with my #29). Dave ++++ End of thread 18834 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18835 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42637 (thread 18835) ---- From: Tom Johnson Date: 1998-05-04 10:37:00 Subject: wtb list Want to Buy List Stanley planes type 13 # 7 : 8c Auger bits marked BAILEY BIT I especially need sizes #5 and #15 to complete a boxed set and would be willing to pay a premium for them. Auger bits marked only RUSSELL JENNINGS with fine lead screws in sizes #8 / 11 / 15 Auger bits marked RJ-100 in sizes #8 and 9 (only the super spiffy need apply) Russell Jennings bits in sizes over #16 Eskilstuna (Eric Anton Berg) chisels (esp larger sizes / tang type) Stanley 921 Braces in 6, 12 and 14 inch swings Stanley chisels: 750's in sizes 3/8 : 1 3/4 : 2 arch type leather punches in sizes 1/2 inch and up ++++ End of thread 18835 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18836 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42638 (thread 18836) ---- From: Tom Johnson Date: 1998-05-04 10:39:00 Subject: fs-May-Berg blowout PLANES 1. #8 type 11/12 will clean very nicely..nice patina; retipped tote $90 2. 605c type 6 repainted but o/w nice. Good user....nice wood BEDROCK lever cap $100 3. 606 type 6 yoke once broken and replaced...lotsa japanning; good wood BEDROCK lever cap $125 4. #8 unknown brand but very clean.....beaded low front knob (nice) replaced tote with black painted type 17 tote......no pitting $40 6. 5 1/2c type 12/13 (3 date bed) repainted nicely / wood refinished ..spiffy Sweetheart blade: STANLEY in the lever cap $75 7. #6c type 15 repaint....was pitted but is v. clean / usuable..wood retipped ref; $48 10. 10 1/2 newer type; refinished rosewood; no rust / pits.... lotsa japanning..... $150 15. #70 Box scraper SWEETHEART spiffy (maroon handle) $30 16. #102 w/replaced blade... $9 17. #103 with l-o-n-g S.R. & L blade....japanning pretty well worn off on the sides, but no pitting $25 18. #110 Stanley Rule and Level logo..slight pitting...80% jpnnng... $13 19. #118 block plane (with the add on ID plate..rarer one) $30 20. #120 ...early one, but top of blade is 'shroomed $15 23. #130 type 2.....Good++ lotsa japanning / nice brown patina $85 16. #220.... $20 17. #220 $20 18. #220 $20 21. Shelton block plane (#118 knock-off) $13 25 #191 Sweetheart repl depth stop $35 26 #191 Repaint...BB logo repl depth stop $30 27 #192 Sweetheart complete and nice $40 SPOKESHAVES #51 BB logo 85% japanning ....knurled knob good blade $15 #51 BB logo 75% japanning ...knurled knob good blade......... $14 #52 "V" logo....silver paint on blade and lever cap (classy!) o/w good $18 #60....good for nothing...literally.......make a good sinker... $3 #64 lookalike... blade marked Best Cast Steel $8 no-name double shave...one cap missing...pitted blades COULD be sharpened. $6 #60 Sweetheart: very nice except for the crack in the middle web.... still solid $25 #53 style "Bailey's Patent" with brass cupped set knob $30 #53 "V" logo nice $22 #151....will clean nicely $@0 #64 knockoff but with a bit wider blade $10 SAWS S3. Atkins 20inch panel saw crosscut sharpened 4 bolt 10 tpi...handle obviously retipped (bad color match) apple / with wheat pattern...pretty $15 S4. Disston D-13 Lightweight 9 tpi 4 bolt handle wheat pattern with no repairs $15 S6. Disston D-7 Lightweight 6 tpi w/ nice beech handle $15 S8. Disston Keyhole w/beech handle + broken tip $6 S9. Disston Keyhole w/apple handle + broken tip $7 S10. No-name keyhole (modern type) clean and perfect.... $6 LEVELS L2. Stanley #4 V-logo 14" $18 L3. Stanley #102 Sweetheart very spiffy 10" $20 L5 Stanley #2 Adjustible.....exce. cond. except for a hang hole 26" $25 L7 Stanley 03 Sweetheat NICE 26" $30 L8 Unmarked cherry....super 16" $12 Misc Jennings Griffin exp bit ....needs some tuning / work $6 Atkins hand scraper $12 DRAWKNIFES Douglass Mfg curved 8"........ $18 Witherby 9" slow curve; original finish on beautiful handles: no pitting NICE... $30 10" Adj. angle drawknife with brass ferrules...all shined up and ready to go, but needs to have the serrations where the adjustment happens sharpened up to grip better $23 CHISELS C4) DEFIANCE by STANLEY No. 1251 Made in U.S.A 1" $8 ##C6.) Patternmakers chisels: #1 total length 12".....from shoulder of tang to tip... 6 3/4".... .275 wide #2 " 16 1/8" " 10 1/2"... .406 wide #3 " 15 3/4 " 10" .735 wide #4 " 16 7/8" " 11" .500 Note: #4 is a straight gouge ... about a #6 curve..... $110 FOR THE SET These appear to be unmarked Buck. Handles and bolsters indicate "Buck" The handles appear to be hard maple with a dark brown finish.. brass ferrules; beautiful patina...no pitting...steel has that nice "cared for" look of not shiny, but not brown either...just a dull/satin steel All the below are socket type chisels; most are unhandled: where I've remembered to measure length, I measure the length of the flat of the back) C2) BOX ONLY this had a NOS 1 1/2 inch 750 in it. Good shape.....label now says only Socket Butt on it...the rest has flaked away. $5 C9.) 1/4" Pritzlaff......3 1/2 length $5 C11.) 3/8" Fulton straight sided firmer 5/12" length $7 C14.) 1" Eclipse 2 3/4" long $5 C13.) 15/16" Rockford Tool Company (Kokomo) straight sided firmer / mortisers 5" long... $13 C20.) 3/4" Shapleigh Hardware....dirty...light pitting. $4 C23.) 3/4" True Value...dirty / lightpitting $3 C36) 1 1/2" EverKeen steel is 9 3/4 overall $10 C26.) 3/4 Riverside butt 2 1/8 left no handle....dirty $5 C34) 3/4 F.O.K. GiltEdge $7 C37) 3/8" Greenlee firmer $6 C38) 3/4" unmarked, but looks like a Stanley 6" overall $5 C41) H and I J White mortiser...heavy duty iron banded handle; $15 C42) 3/8 Hargreave Smith and Co. straight sided firmer: nice handle $12 C43) 1/2" SWEETHEART ..super condition....deep mark / clean ...... $25 C28.) 3/4" CORNER CHISEL by Fulton...no handle...clean steel $20 BARTON stuff D.R. Barton 1/2 " l-o-n-g socketed firmer...blade 6 3/4: steel 9 1/4. OK leather washered handle...... $25 D.R. Barton unhandled 5/8 inch socket butt. 5 3/8 total length $12 D.R Barton framing chisel / slick usual dings/ rehandled / no rust $45 D.R. Barton drawknife 8" very very nice....no rust no pits...large brass ferruled handles that are a bit primitive looking....this is a goodun' $30 All are Bergs unless noted Plastic handled versions width flat of back A 1 1/2 1 3/4 no handle $14 B 1 1/2 1 1/2 $14 C 1 1/2 2 3/8 Gensco $18 D 1/2 2 Gensco $12 E 1/2 2 Gensco $12 one NOS Shark-O-Lite handle $8 TANG TYPE FIRMERS Width Length of flat on back Handle #1 1/4 N/A.... Berg sharpened to a vee point and short $10 #2 1/4 2 1/2 none $16 #3 3/8 1 9/16 none $14 #4 3/8 1 15/16 nice but not original $20 #5 3/8 3 1/8 (no logo) OK handle not Berg $14 #6 1/2 2 1/4 (Seel) none $12 #7 1/2 1 7/8 (Gensco) none $12 #8 1/2 2 3/4 none $12 #9 5/8 2 1/2 none $18 #10 5/8 3 (Jernbolaget) Berg type $14 #11 3/4 1 13/16 none $17 #12 1 1 15/16 (Gensco) none $14 #13 7/8 4 7/8 (Gensco) none $30 #14 1 7/16 3 1/4 this one is badly pitted, but is cleaned up to where it will be a killer of a user...itÕs the heavy duty style..beveled edges but thicker that the others $22 #15 1 1/2 1 5/16 good repro $12 SOCKET FIRMERS (THESE ARE MEASURED IN TOTAL LENGTH OF STEEL) No handles on any of these #17 1/2 6 $20 #18 1/2 5 1/4 $18 #19 3/4 5 3/8 $20 #20 1 5 5/8 $22 Miscellaneous: Christiansen Bench Stop (pop up) SUPER condition / like new..... $25 ZENITH 2 lb short handled hammer $10 220 body only clean and nice $3 Dunlap plumb bob.... $4 MH Spark Plug wrench202783M1 $3 Goodell Pratt Push drill 188A $12 Not listed: lots of try squares of all sizes several t-augers square tang machine drill bits several NICE edge guides hand saws in varying states of restoration.... ++++ End of thread 18836 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18837 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42639 (thread 18837) ---- From: Deryck Harnett Date: 1998-05-04 10:39:00 Subject: FS: German Chisels GGs I have for sale a set of 7 Hirsch chisels, made for Luthiers Mercantile or its predecessor, Lewis Luthier Supplies. These have octagonal hardwood handles, and are tanged and square sided, with an average length of 5". Sizes are metric 2, 5, 7, 10, 18, 25, and 30 mm. Price is $150.00. Deryck Harnett ++++ End of thread 18837 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18838 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42640 (thread 18838) ---- From: J. Gunterman Date: 1998-05-04 10:45:00 Subject: FS: Blades and blades & more blades Well folks...... by overwheliming demand from last months FMM post concerning Hock irons I am now pleased to announce that I have in stock, ready for shipment: Code Description Unit ------ ------------------------ ----- BR375 3/8" Dia Burnishing Rod 11.00 BL162 1-5/8" Block Plane Blade 23.00 BL162 1-5/8" Blk Blade (5/8 slot) 23.00 BP200 2" Bench Plane Blade 27.00 BP238 2-3/8" Bench Plane Blade 29.00 BP262 2-5/8" Bench Plane Blade 31.00 SB080 Blade for #80 Scraper Plane 16.00 SB081 Blade for #81 Scraper Plane 16.00 SB112 #112 Scraper Plane Blade 16.00 SP062 Wooden Spokeshave Blade 24.00 (Add $3.00 Priority Mail shipping to each order) ============================================================= You will also notice that the woden spokeshave blade assembly is now offered as a separate item. This is in response to many folks asking if they could buy _just_ the blade. Which of course you may....... ============================================================= The now infamous "Make a Wooden Spokeshave Kits" are also availible.... these include the blades, your choice of stock: CurlyHard maple, Mahogany, Beech, or White Oak, etc..... Printed instructions and my home telephune # should you have any questions durring the procedure... The Price is $30.00 DELIVERED ... If you order a spokeshave kit, shipping is free on all Hock ordered at the same time. ============================================================= Terms are still Standard OldTool Terms...... for the time being I even include a SASE ;-) ~ John http://www.cnh.mv.net/ipusers/gunterman/INDEX.HTM http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/1824 ++++ End of thread 18838 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18839 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42641 (thread 18839) ---- From: Old Tools Date: 1998-05-04 06:58:00 Subject: Re: Stanley Want List Requested. We still have over 1700 Stanley tools in inventory. Nearly one example of every model plane produced by Stanley over the past 150 years. Plus many other types of tools by Stanley, Buck, and others. For a quick answer that will include a brief description, condition and price, e mail your needs to us at ftjceb@a.... All sales are guaranteed to your satisfaction. Clarence Blanchard at the Fine Tool Journal Check out our web pages at www.wowpages.com/ftj/ ++++ End of thread 18839 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18840 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42642 (thread 18840) ---- From: Phil and Debbie Koontz Date: 1998-05-04 06:28:00 Subject: FS --Empty box Actually, this is a freeby. I came into a box for 2-3/8" single plane irons for Stanley/Bailey Nos. 4-1/2, 5-1/2, 6, 7, 51, 604-1/2, 606, etc. I'm not a box collector, and the first respondent can have it for an SASE. Mostly intact, with loose corners and the end label is 2/3 gone. Cab't seem to find a date, but the picture shows a high knob and maybe a kidney cap iron. Phil Koontz ++++ End of thread 18840 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18841 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42643 (thread 18841) ---- From: Don Berry Date: 1998-05-04 04:13:00 Subject: FS: Planes, chisels, etc. Well, it's been a while since I've had time, but I managed to get something together for this months's FMM list. Please ask for details regarding condition, usability, etc, if you have any questions. Terms: You ask, I ship; you like, you pay. You no like, you ship back to me within 7 days, along with check for outbound shipping. Shipping is not included in the prices listed. Thanks! Don Berry berry@c... ********************************* *** planes, spokeshaves, etc. *** ********************************* P1: #10 Millers Falls, smooth plane, #4 1/2 size, very hefty, wide smoother, v. good, tote perfect, a few nicks in finish on knob, $50 P2: 30" transitional jointer wooden plane, Fulton (unmarked), good. This was a personal user, so it's honed and ready to roll. $50 P3: #113 Circular plane, Type 2, side wheeldepth adjuster, Sept. 25, 1877 pat., Stanley, good-; 50% japanning, rear rivets re-braized., $75 P4: #12 cabinet scraper, full-length iron with SW logo, Stanley, v good, 80% jappaning, $75 P5: #17 block plane, adjustable mouth, Millers Falls, 50% japanning, good user, $20 P6: #5 jack plane; type 19, Stanley, good. rejappaned, wood very good., $35 P7: #57 low angle block plane, adjustable mouth, Millers Falls, very good, except missing front button (replaced with screw)., $45 P8: #5C jack plane; type 14 (AA iron), with earlier (type <12 ) type level cap, Stanley, >90% japanning; rosewood good, with some nicks in finish, $40 P9: #6 fore plane; type 13 with type 12 lever cap; sweetheart, Stanley, good; 75% japanning. microcracks in base of knob; small chip off handle, $40 P10: #60, spokeshave, double iron (1 straight, 1 concave), "V"-logo, Stanley, very good, >80% japanning, $55 P11: #48 tongue and groove plane, type 1, Stanley, good+; japanning >90%; replacement irons, $80 P12: #65 low angle block plane, Sweet Heart logo, Stanley, no japanning, 10% nickel, but no active rust; incorrect notched rectangle iron., $50 P13: #66 beader, Stanley, with both fences, no cutters (available from L-N), nickel >95%, $60 P14: #66 beader, with straight fence, no cutters, Stanley, nickel >80%, $35 P15: #7 jointer plane, type 12, Stanley, good; jappaning 50%, $60 P16: #7C jointer plane; type 9 (type 16 iron), Stanley, good 50% japanning; no cracks in wood (wood slightly "chewed") small chip off handle tip., $60 P17: spokeshave, loop handles, Dunlap, good-; usable., $5 P18: #80 scraper plane, "Rule & Level" on clamp bar and nub of blade, Stanley, >90% jappaning; very good, except for worn out iron, $40 P19: block plane, Sargent, adjustable mouth, good; japanning >90%; original iron, but mouth plate has heavy pitting. Shouldn't effect use. $25 ******************************** *** braces, drills, and bits *** ******************************** D1: pushdrill, identical to Yankee #41, with some bits in handle, North Bro., good; >80% nickel, except on shaft, where it's 25%., $15 D2: pushdrill, Yankee #41 with 5 bits in handle, North Bro., very good; >90% nickel, except on moving shaft, where it's 50%., $15 D3: screwdriver, Yankee-type, #6, Miller's Falls, very good, $16 D4: set of 13 auger bits, in hinged original box. Mixed maker bits, James Swan, good box and label; light surface rust on bits, $40 D5: Brace, 10", red wood handle & pad, unmarked, good, $15 D6: Brace, 10", rosewood handle & pad, Miller's Falls, good, $20 D7: Brace, 10", rosewood handle & pad, unmarked (prob Miller's Falls), good, $20 D8: Brace, #945, 10" sweep, Stanley, very good (almost new, except minor pits in black laquer), $25 D9: Brace, Yankee #2101, 10", plastic handle and pad; identical to "Bell System" models, North Bros Philaa Div. of Stanley, very good, $35 D10: drill, eggbeater, Craftsman, works well, red paint on wheel >75%, $12 D11: eggbeater drill, "Buck Rogers", red plastic handle, grey metal enclosing gears, 6 twist bits in handle, Millers Falls, very good, very smooth action., $25 D12: #2100 Yankee brace, very heavy duty, North Bros, very good; lots of bright left, but speckling on arm, $40 D13: #29 Yankee-style screwdriver, small, in original box, Millers Falls, fine; a few small chips on enameled ring between handle and nickel, $45 D14: #H1220 "egg-beater" drill, "Handyman", Stanley, excellent; paint near 100%, decal on wheel, $20 D15: #1221 "egg-beater" drill, "Defiance", Stanley, excellent; paint near 100%, decal on wheel, $20 D16: #130 Yankee screwdriver (medium), Stanley, very good; >95% nickel, works smoothly., $15 D17: #135 Yankee screwdriver (small), Stanley, only brass left on shank; other nickel o.k.; works fine., $15 D18: #30 Yankee screwdriver, North Bros, good, $14 D19: #30A Yankee screwdriver, maroon plastic handle, Stanley, like new, $15 D20: #41 Yankee pushdrill with 8 original bits, North Bros, fine; 100% nickel, a few discolored spots on knurling, $35 D21: auger bits, Stanley / Russell-jennings, set of 13 in 3 tiered box, box v. good except for slight warp inlid; label good, $75 D22: #610 Yankee-type screwdriver, Millers Falls, very good, $18 D23: #61A Yankee-type screwdriver (medium), Millers Falls, only brass left on shank; other nickel o.k.; works fine., $17 ************************** ***** miscellaneous ****** ************************** M1: hand-cranked grinder, 4" wheel (5" gear box.) Will take larger (<8" ) wheels). Built-in tool rest., unmarked, very smooth cranking., $15 M2: #3d Saw vise, 10" jaws, cam release,clamps to bench, Henry Disston, good; jappaning > 75%, works well, $20 M3: 5' crosscut timber saw, 2 man, detachable handles, unmarked, rusted, not pitted. one side mainly bright., $30 M4: 6' 2-man saw, removable handles, unmarked, good; blade needs good cleaning, $25 M5: #18 bevel, 8", Stanley, good, 50% nickel, $15 M6: #18 bevel, 8", Stanley, 75% nickel, $15 M7: #18 bevel, 8", older model with 7/14/08 patent, Stanley, good, 0% nickel, $12 M8: #91 marking gage, double-rod type, Stanley, good; 90% nickel on rods, no nickel on fence, 1 replacement screw, $18 M9: #95 butt marking gauge, WWII vintage, Stanley, dirty, japanning ca. 50%, all nickers o.k., $10 M10: blacksmith's leg vise, unmarked, complete, working, painted silver (rather heavy to ship), $25 M11: 5 blacksmith's tools (pincers, tongs, etc.); smaller size, ca. 15" OAL, Unmarked, good, $30 M12: caliper, outside, 14", Luftkin Rule Co., Very good, $15 M13: calipers, 8", inside, The L. S. Starrett Co., very good condition; initialed JWM, $12 M14: calipers, 8", outside, spring, Lufkin Rule Co., excellent condition, $15 M15: Draftsman set in leatherette case, unmarked, case is ratty, tools nice, German-made, $15 M16: Plumb and level, 30", Mahogany & brass, the C.S. Co., Pinemeadows Conn, good, $15 M17: Tape measure, 50'; canvas in brass tin; 1900 and 1897 pat dates., unmarked, good-; cracked greenish enamel over brass, $5 M18: wooden tail vise, 2 1/2" screw & block, unmarked, some checking, screw threads complete, $35 M19: 5' 2-man cross-cut saw with removable handles;, unmarked, good; wax over brown patina, $30 ************************** ***chisels and gouges **** ************************** C1: chisel, 1", firmer, socket, Witherby, excellent, 6 1/4" usable blade, $22 C2: chisel, 1", firmer, socket, Witherby, very good, 6" usable blade, light patch of pitting on face, $20 C3: Chisel, 1", socket firmer, Bucks Bros, v good, 4 usable blade, $16 C4: chisel, 1/2", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 5 1/2" usable blade, $20 C5: chisel, 1/2", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 5 3/4" usable blade, $18 C6: chisel, 1/2", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 6 1/2" usable blade, no handle, $19 C7: Chisel, 1/4" (7 mm, oversized) tanged, Buck Bros, 3 usable blade, $11 C8: chisel, 1/4", firmer, socket, unmarked, no handle, good, 3" usable blade, dirty, $6 C9: Chisel, 1/4", hefty firmer with chamfered top, socket, unmarked, good, 5 1/4 usable blade, $12 C10: chisel, 1/4", hefty firmer with chamfered top, socket, Wards Master Quality, no handle, good, 2 1/2" usable blade, $5 C11: chisel, 2", bevel edged, socket, PS&W, very good, 5 1/2" usable blade no handle, $20 C12: chisel, 3/4", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 4 3/4" usable blade, $18 C13: Mortice chisel, 1/4", socket, leather bolsters on end, 10 OAL, unmarked, good, good handle, 3" usable blade, $16 C14: Mortice Chisel, 1/8", socket, unmarked, good; 6 usable blade (9 1/2" including socket); no handle, $12 C15: Chisel, 3/4", beveled, socket, Buck brothers, 3 1/2 blade, (patch heavy pitting on front, light to moderate pitting on last 1" of the back, $11 C16: chisel, 3/4", firmer, socket, Witherby, very good, 6" usable blade, $20 C17: chisel, 3/8", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 5" usable blade, $18 C18: chisel, 3/8", firmer, socket, Witherby, very good, 6" usable blade, $18 C19: chisel, 3/8", firmer, socket, Witherby, very good, 5 1/4" usable blade, $18 C20: chisel, 5/8", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 6 1/4" usable blade, $20 C21: chisel, 5/8", firmer, socket, mark too light to read, no handle, good, 5" usable blade, $7 C22: Chisel, 7/16" (11 mm), tanged, EA Berg / Eskiltuna, good, 3" blade, $15 C23: chisel, 7/8", beveled edge, socket, Witherby, very good, 5 1/2" usable blade, $22 C24: chisel, beveled edge, 3/4", tanged, Buck Bros, 7" usable blade, very good, handle is good, but short, $17 C25: Chisel, ca, 1/8", socket ; almost a mortice chisel; was cut down from a wider bevel edge chisel, T. H. Witherby, good, 5" usable blade, $10 C26: Chisel or slick, 1 1/2" x 10" incl. socket, heavy, unmarked, good-; light rust, handle rough, $15 C27: chisel / slick, 1 1/2", firmer, socket, very heavy duty, extra long, heavy socket, unreadable, very good, 4 3/4 usable blade no handle, $18 C28: chisel / slick, 1", firmer, socket, very heavy duty, Witherby, very good, 7 1/4 usable blade no handle, $20 C29: gouge, 1 1/4", out-cannel, tanged, J. Smith, 1 1/2" usable blade, very good, split handle glued, $10 C30: gouge, 1", in-cannel, tanged, Wm. Greaves, very good, 3 1/2" usable blade, $15 C31: gouge, 1", out-cannel, tanged, L & IJ White, very good, 4" usable blade, $16 C32: Gouge, 2", #5 sweep, in-cannel, socket, C.E.Jennings, 6 usable blade, fine crack in socket doesn't appear to effect use, $25 C33: gouge, 3/16", #11 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Mawhood, no handle, good, 3 1/2" usable blade, $7 C34: gouge, 3/4", #9 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Buck Bros, good, good handle, 2 1/4" usable blade, $10 C35: gouge, 3/4", #9 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Charles Buck, good, half of split handle, missing, 2 1/2" usable blade, $9 C36: gouge, 3/4", out-cannel, tanged, James Swan, very good, 4 1/4" usable blade, $16 C37: gouge, 3/8", #9 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Spear & Jackson, good, good handle, 3" usable blade, $14 C38: gouge, 5/16", #9 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Buck Bros, good, 3 1/4" usable blade, $12 C39: gouge, 5/16", #9 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Buck Bros, good, 3 1/4" usable blade, end of handle has been reshaped, $11 C40: gouge, 5/8", #7 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, W. Hall, good, 2 1/2" usable blade; nice, but non-original handle with rectangular x-section, $9 C41: gouge, 5/8", #9 sweep, tanged, out-cannel, Buck Bros, good, 3 3/4" usable blade, light pitting, handle has had rough spots shaved off., $11 C42: gouge, 5/8", out-cannel, tanged, Buck Bros, 4" usable blade, patches of light pitting, $15 C43: gouge, 5/8", out-cannel, tanged, W. Butcher, very good, 2 1/2" usable blade, $14 C44: gouge, 7/8", out-cannel, tanged, Buck Bros, 4 1/4" usable blade, very good, $15 C45: gouge, 9/16", out-cannel, tanged, Buck Bros, very good, 3" usable blade, $14 C46: gouge, turning, 1 1/2", out-cannel, tanged, Buck Bros, 6 1/2" usable blade, $18 ************************** ***** old catalogs ******* ************************** OC1: Lufkin #7 catalog of precision tools, 1947, Lufkin, very good, $8 OC2: Lufkin #7 catalog of precision tools, no date, Lufkin, good, but missing back cover, $6 OC3: Starrett #26A catalog, 1953, LS Starrett, very good, $8 OC4: Starrett #26 catalog, 1938, LS Starrett, very good, $10 OC5: Starrett #26 catalog, 1938, LS Starrett, very good, $10 OC6: Starrett #26 catalog, 1938, LS Starrett, very good, $10 ************************** ******** Books *********** ************************** B1: 14 books from the Time/Life Home Repair and Improvement series (maybe the _entire_ series, for all I know. Everything Mr. Homeowner needs to know about wiring, plumbing, etc. All in primo condition. Buy all 14 for $75 ---- Start of Message 42673 (thread 18841) ---- From: Jeff Steele Date: 1998-05-04 17:28:00 Subject: Re: FS: Planes, chisels, etc. Hi Don, Greetings from a couple of blocks east. I'm interested in the following : > M1: hand-cranked grinder, 4" wheel (5" gear box.) Will take larger > (<8" ) wheels). Built-in tool rest., unmarked, very smooth cranking., > $15 > C25: Chisel, ca, 1/8", socket ; almost a mortice chisel; was cut down > from a wider bevel edge chisel, T. H. Witherby, good, 5" usable blade, > $10 > > C7: Chisel, 1/4" (7 mm, oversized) tanged, Buck Bros, 3 usable blade, > $11 > How heavy is the grinder ? Is it possible for you to bring it to Penn ? If it's not too heavy I could carry it back to Drexel. Also, what kind of wheel comes with it ? Thanks, Jeff ++++ End of thread 18841 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18842 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42644 (thread 18842) ---- From: SpeedCom Date: 1998-05-04 07:11:00 Subject: WTB: Anvil, blacksmith tools Looking for an anvil, 70-160 lbs, preferably good, but would accept rough but repairable table. Also tongs, fullers hardies, flatters, 2 lb straight pein hammer or others, swage block, small coal forge. Due to shipping difficulties and costs, the anvil, forge or (if large) swage would want to be within a half days drive of Knoxville TN. Cheers/Carron ++++ End of thread 18842 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18843 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42645 (thread 18843) ---- From: Anthony Seo Date: 1998-05-04 12:01:00 Subject: FS: Planes of Distinction May's list of all things good and wonderful for sale. Lots of nice quality planes, as usual, lots new to the list. Terms, standard oldtools, first to say I want it, get's it. On that subject, if my direct email bounces. use jointer@g.... If you are really in a hurry, the office phone is 610-826-3757. I will be (weather permitting) tailgating at the EAIA meet in Scranton on Wed. 5/6 (which starts at 2:00) (PM) Wooden Planes Hollow and Round Pairs B. Preston & Sons #1 H&R 1/8 $45.00 Griffiths Norwich - #2 H&R 3/16 $45.00 Summers Varvill York #2 H&R 3/16 $45.00 John Elsworth Glascow #5 H&R 3/8 Skewed $50.00 All of these are in nice shape, and other than with some light sharpening ready to use. R. Carter - Troy NY. #18 H&R 1 3/8. Nice pair, dark patina, round has a small dig out of the side by the sole, doesn't affect use. Irons (one is a W.S. Butcher, other can't read) are good at the cutting edge. $50.00 Unmaked 7/8 Pair (owner's stamp J.J Stoneham), one wedge a replacement and cracked. $30.00 H&R Singles William Ward New York Maker (**) #14 Round #16 Hollow Both with the N. York mark and no street address. Both were pretty rough, cleaned up okay, need some serious shapening attention. $20.00 each or$35.00 for the pair Copeland #24 (2") Round. Been reprofiled and is rough on the one side, Good user. $14.00 (Small hanging hole) Side Beads..Lots of larger sizes, all really crisp and ready to use. Auburn #105 1/2 D. Malloch Perth 5/8 Bead Shiverick 3/4 Bead Varvill 7/8 Bead H. Chapin #123 Single Boxed All really nice tight, larger side beads. $22.00 each Gardner & Murdoch Green Street Boston 1 7/8 bead (I think). Interesting plane. The cut is 120 deg which is too steep for a hollow, too shallow for a nosing plane (180). Might be a forkstave, but is sprung and could actually be used as a center bead. 1" sliver missing off the one side, other than that a good user and a good collector (**). $45.00 M. Long (Reading PA). 1/4 Bead. Collector piece, not really usable. $35.00 Misc. Look at this..mahagony coffin bodied mast plane. Unmarked, 2" W.S. Butcher double iron, flat chamfered with nice scribing detailing the chamfers. Mouth is open a little and one cheek has been repaired with a cooper tack, however this is a really beautiful piece that is still usable. $45.00 Ogontz Tool C. #5, toted smoother, made by Sandusky Tool, Sandusky Cast Steel Iron. Sole has some wear and a little checking but the tote (carved from the body block) is 99%. Nice dark patina. $30.00 N. Chapin Union 3/4 Ovolo adjustable Sash. Rough, old wedge replacements, the body screws are too long and stick out through the other side. Extra fence piece added. Usable, yes., pretty, well...$20.00..OR $15.00 with any other plane purchase. Rabbets Auburn Tool Co.(1864-1893) #181 2" Skew Rabbet. Been around the block once or twice, but a very tight mouth. $25.00 Sargent & Co #356 1/2 Straight Rabbet $18.00 Everlasts Everlasts..first is a 15/16..funny size, but it doesn't look like it has been ground. 2 3/4 blade (thats the square portion, 7 7/8 over all, barely visible SW logo, handle has a small but long chip missing and a split about the same plane. Other than that, good shape. The next is a Merrill & Wilder..these were the guys that Stanley sucked up to get the Everlast line. What should be a 1/4" has been ground down about 1" to 3/16. 4 3/8 blade, 9 3/8 overall. This guy has a slightly bend, but overall isn't bad. $17 each or $30.00 for the pair. Chisels & Gouges Marples 1 1/4 6" tanged gouge Incannel $12.00 Corner Chisel 1" (12 3/8) Unmarked. Good user grade handle. A nice clean corner chisel. $40.00 Corner Chisel 1" (11 1/4) Unmarked, no handle. $25.00 Misc. Wooden Shoe Size Rule Belcher Bros & Co. NY. Nice shape both scales readable $40.00 User made mahogany panel gauge. 9 5/8 wide head, 19 3/8 wide bead. Not a perfect piece, but usable and looks great. $20.00 Edge Tools - Misc 8" (Cut) Greenlee Drawknife. Another used once and put away drawknife. Super clean, needs sharpening. $30.00 Neat smaller carpenter's hatchet. Hammer has an octogonal head, overall length is 4.25, axe blade width is 2". Really nice collector item. $35.00 Pexto, this time a hewing (or broad) hatchet. 4 3/4 cutting edge, 6 3/4 overall length. Appears to have the original handle. Also has PEXTO cast into a 2 1/2 by 1 1/8 oval on the "up" side of the head. Needs to be ground back 1/8 to get rid of a back bevel, and has some very minor mushrooming on the back side. This is a good user and a great collectable. $65.00 Double Iron (Straight & Concaved) iron spokeshave, similar to a "New Britain" #60. Only marks are on the irons "Best Cast Steel, Warrented". $20.00 ________________________________________________________ Interesting Pennsylvania town names Intercourse, PA ________________________________________________________ ++++ End of thread 18843 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18844 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42646 (thread 18844) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 12:00:00 Subject: FS / WTB for May, 98 - Infill smoother, scraper and more... Standard Oldtools Terms apply (You want, I ship, you like, you pay + shipping. If you don't like, you return at your expense). I usually ship USPS Priority mail, please let me know if you prefer another method. 1. Infill Smoother - Mathiesen #843 (I believe), best quality open handled rosewood infill smoother. Overall 9 " long by 2 3/8 " wide with a 2 1/4" Marples iron(about 2" of life left). Mouth is tight, set for a light cut it is between 1/64 and 1/32 by my measurement. Tip of tote is missing and has been very nicely rounded over by a previous owner. Looks to have been done intentionaly. Owners stamps are lightly stamped into rosewood sides. The front bun/knob does have a very tight hairline age crack, that will not affect use. Price - $295 + shipping. 2. Sorby Chisels - Set of 5 , 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" 3/4" and 1' New, never sharpened. Boxwood, octagonal handles, with tip protectors and vinyl sleeves. New from Garrett Wade $124+. Price - $70 + shipping 3. Starrett #13 Double Square - 4" double square in pristine condition. Blade is shiney and crisp. Hardly if ever used. Price - $42 + shipping 4. Side bead plane, boxed, 1/2" - nice plane, unfortunately someone sanded off makers mark. Very nice user Price - $9 + shipping. 5. Millers Falls #1 spoke shave - nice rosewood handles, but iron and body are pitted. With some work the iron can be made usable or order a new exact replacememt from Kelly Tools for $12.95ppd. This is a good user and is priced according to condition. Price - $22 + shipping 6. Stanley #82 Scraper - type 1, no blade. Good user condition. Price - $14 + shipping 7. Stanley #81 Cabinet Scraper - nickel plated, rosewood bottom. Nickel plating is about 80% +. Rosewood bottom is original and of original thickness, 1/4". Original blade has about 1" of life left. No rust or pitting at all, nice overall condition and an excellent user. Price - $85 + shipping WTB - I am looking for an iron, cap iron and lever cap for a Stanley #32, 26", Transitional. It's a type 14, both I'm not too particular. It takes a 2 5/8" iron. Got any that haven't been toasted??? ++++ End of thread 18844 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18845 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42647 (thread 18845) ---- From: Chris Winter Date: 1998-05-04 12:57:00 Subject: FS Plow Irons GG's Dwight and French set of plow irons- $70. There are 8 in total. 7 are Dwight and French and 1 is a replacement of the proper size. These are for sale as I found a set that was a bit narrower to fit my plow mo' better. I preferred not to grind the sides to fit. IME (which isn't too great) the Bristish plows seem to accept wider irons more often (but not always..). They are solid users, good patina, lots of life left in all of them, and they come sharp. Please check the width of your escapement in the body of the plane where the wedge secures the iron and distance between the opening in the metal skate where the blade pokes through and email to me before I ship so you're not disappointed. I want to make sure they will fit. You *could* carefully grind either sides of the top of the irons to make them fit but I never wanted to and in this instance you might want to find another set. Standard tools terms for names I recognize- you supply shipping from NY to wherever they find a good home. Thanks for reading. ++++ End of thread 18845 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18846 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42649 (thread 18846) ---- From: Daniel Indrigo Date: 1998-05-04 13:45:00 Subject: Saturday's bottom feeding Well I don't usually get out bottom feeding on saturdays since that's when I work on the neverending basement renovation. But this week I took the day off and went to a charity garage sale. Got in just when it opened and quickly scanned around, nothing, oh wait there's something. Under a table were two metal toolboxes, painted blue. Hey they are both full, I opened them both up and almost lost my breakfast. Each one had 30-40 tools, screwdrivers, pliers, wrenches oil cans etc, all old, no plastic anywhere. Every last one of them was painted in bright orange, yellow, blue, green and white. Not only were they painted but each tool was multiple colors. Screwdriver with orange handle, blue shaft and yellow tip, ACKK! Everything was like this. The person at the booth sees me and says $1 a tool or $10 a box. Great deal but I was so disgusted I couldn't bring myself to buy them. I knew I would waste countless hours trying to clean off all that enamel. Went back the next day because there were going to be new vendors there. The toolboxes were gone but there was a new one in their place. A bright blue open wood tool box with everything inside painted again. Argh, somebodies got to kill this person before they do any more damage. The only unpainted things in the box were 3 saws, 2 in good shape except they were varnished, blade and all, bought 2 of them for $2 each. 2 minutes later a woman came by and bought the whole box. I think I heard the amount of $20 discussed. Not only did this person wreck a bunch of nice tools but they didn't get any kind of return on investment. They must have spent many tens of hours painting these things, apparently to sell them since the paint was perfect, like they hadn't been used since they were painted. All for $40 or so. what a waste. Dan ++++ End of thread 18846 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18847 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42650 (thread 18847) ---- From: Haney, Kevin (CIT) Date: 1998-05-04 13:02:00 Subject: FS and WTB lists Here are my lists for May. OLDTOOL standard terms if I know you--if I don't, an e-mail message or phone call will hold the item until I receive your payment. I will then ship it off via UPS, or the post office, if you prefer. Prices do not include shipping (I'll include the handling for free ;-) If you have any questions about an item please e-mail or call me. Kevin Haney 15664 Kelbaugh Rd. Thurmont, MD 21788 (301) 271-5023 (evenings and weekends) E-mail: Kevin_Haney@n... FOR SALE: 1. Brass pattern maker's spokeshave, $24 Very pretty shave with flat bottom, no cap iron (never had one--blade secures with a screw), 1 5/8" blade made from a Disston saw, 8 1/2" long overall. 2. Stanley #32 1/2 caliper rule, $54 Later Sweetheart trademark, wood is dark but everything is fully readable and the joints are tight. 3. Antique sharpening stone in fancy box, $45 Old fine Arkansas stone, 1 3/4" x 8", stone is good and flat with no chips or cracks. Pine box (with A.V.W. stamped in several places) is stained cherry and is very decorative with ovolo-edged lid. Base is shaped like a } (if looked at standing on its end), with chamfered edges. Hard to describe, but a very pretty piece. 4. Disston 14" backsaw, $18 Top horn off of handle (old damage that has been repaired by rounding off and looks good), chip around one screw. Moderate blade pitting, but sharp and fully usable. 5. W. Marples and Sons 12" torpedo level and plumb, $40 Mahogany with full brass top, brass ends on bottom, vials good, great shape overall. 6. Stanley #37 "Jenny" transitional smooth plane, reduced from last month, $90 Complete your transitional collection with this, the rarest of Stanley's "flammable planes", as Leach calls them! This is the transitional equivalent of the #4 1/2H, a heavy, wide-bladed smoothing plane with an extra wide bottom. This example is a type 10, ca. 1893-99. The beech wood has a nice, dark patina. The top of the tote has been knocked off in years gone by, and the front knob has a small chip out of the base. Japanning is 80%. The lateral adjuster has been bent slightly but is fully functional. The proper blade has 1 1/2" of life left, and there is slight pitting on the top of the blade and chip breaker. Overall, a rare and fully functional plane. 7. Unmarked Stearns #7 saw jointer, $12 Great saw jointer with 95% japanning. See Nathan Lindsey's page at http://www2.interconnect.net/nlindsey/SawSetPage/Types/SawJoiners/SawJoiners.htm to see what it looks like (file not included, but you can use any flat file). 8. Stanley #65 marking gauge, $14 Early Type 1, no name but has the Aug. 5, 1873 Stanley patent date. Boxwood worn, but the scale is readable. The little brass thingy under the screw has been replaced by a piece of sheet brass, but it looks good. Pin is good. 9. Chapin-Stephens #260 marking and mortise gauge, $36 Mahogany and brass gauge in excellent condition. Used very little. Unmarked, but the bullseye trademarks are indicative of C-S. 10. Sargent handled smooth plane, $36 This beech smooth plane has one of those knob handles on the back for a better grip. The wood has a great dark patina and you can see exactly where some former craftsman put his fingers during years of service (I have left the plane uncleaned). This plane still has plenty of service left in it with a strike button on the back, a good double Sargent blade, and a solid old mouth patch on the plane bottom. 11. Wooden jack plane by N. Camper, Baltimore, $15 18" ca. 1850 beech plane, handle cracked and glued, with a single Ohio Tool Co. 2" iron. Cracks in mouth around cheek, still usable or would make a nice display piece. 12. Phoenix spoke pointer, $20 Cuts up to 2". Has adjustable depth stop shaft and good sharp blade. Japanning about 40%. Good pointer with lots of life left. 13. Hand grinder, $18 Just clamp on your bench. Unmarked grinder works great with a 2 3/4" stone. Has tool rest. Will e-mail picture upon request. WANTED TO BUY: Here are some items I'm looking for, if any of you happen across them and could be persuaded to part with them for a reasonable price. I would be willing to trade some of the above for some of the below. 1. Goodell-Pratt fully-bound mahogany levels 2. Harvey Peace handsaws, the kind with the brass guard on the bottom of the handle with the 1883 patent date 3. Disston brass-backed backsaws, and other interesting Disston handsaws Thanks for reading! Kevin Haney ++++ End of thread 18847 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18848 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42651 (thread 18848) ---- From: Aaron Ionta Date: 1998-05-04 13:02:00 Subject: HELP ID a Carpenters Square HEllo GG's hope this makes it past the FMM - static I got a carpenters square this weekend for .50 cents at a garage sale! it was well used in a previous life, but with a little electrocution it will be servicable again, It has, from what I can tell - all tha markings for calculating Board Feet etc, The makers mark looks like N TEE D E S R T R T.S.C Co E A No 5 E W L It's Measurements Are 15" x 24" outside 13 x 22.5 inside 5/36" thick at the corner and 3/64" thick at the tips Any takers ! That's it for now -- ================================================================= Aaron Ionta aaron.ionta@i... Application Support Engineer ajionta@m... (Home) Intranet Solutions Inc. (612)903-2032 (W) (888)688-8324 x2032 (W tollfree) ================================================================= ++++ End of thread 18848 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18849 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42652 (thread 18849) ---- From: Richard Givan Date: 1998-05-04 14:13:00 Subject: FS Hello galoots, first time FS lister here. Having just put into commission (after drying the champaigne from her bows) my new bench, it seems I have a surplus bench. Since a galoot's bench is, after his underwear and toothbrush, probably the most personal item imaginable, you probably need to go through several iterations before settling on your perfect work-holding device. This bench may serve as one of those preliminarys for you. It's built (except for the two stretchers made of construction lumber) of laminated southern yellow pine which was originally the floor of a boxcar. I planed it to clean it up, then made a top measuring 18 x 75 inches, 2 inches thick in the center and doubled to four inches at the sides (where the one inch dog holes are drilled). The base has two sets of trestle legs (made of the same two inch stock) joined with bolted stretchers. The end vise is a Craftsman brand, bought about 15 years ago when I built the bench. It has 4 x 10" jaws, fitted with 18" wooden jaws of, I think, ash. The wooden jaws are drilled with two holes offsetting those on the bench top. The tail vise opens nine inches even with the wooden jaws fitted, (12" without them). It has a split nut type of quick-opening capability. To me, the tail vise looks like the big Jorgensen model. The front vise (on the left side of bench in the typical right-handed fashion) is an older vise, a DEED brand, but well made. It has 4 x 7" jaws that open to 9" and also has a quick opening feature. The bench stands 36" tall, and could be easily heightened or not-so-easily shortened. As best I recall, the top is detachable from the base so the whole thing would easily fit in a station wagon or minivan. At a guess, I'd say the whole thing would weigh about 200 lbs. It ain't pretty; it ain't pristine, but it is beefy and won't do the Home Depot dance when you go to planing on it. Hell, you could park the Buick on it, if you wanted. All I'd like is the $125 I have in the vises. I'll throw the bench in for nothing. The only catch is you need to get yourself and your vehicle to Richmond KY to pick it up. If there's a bench-deprived galoot within striking distance, I'd really like to see this baby go on to a good home. It's served me well for some time now, and I don't want to see it turned into a potting bench. I'll do by best to answer questions via email, or if you want to phone, 606-623-5331. Thanks, Richard Givan I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. ++++ End of thread 18849 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18850 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42653 (thread 18850) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 15:24:00 Subject: FS/WTB Good morning, The following for sale items are available using Standard Old Tool terms, You want the tool, I mail it to you, you send price of tool and shipping if it's as represented, return it in same condition, promptly, if you find it's not what I said it was, as long as your bio is in the file. For sale: Stanley 605C bedrock jack plane, tiny chip in right front corner of frog, newer style blade, Stanley kidney lever cap. I think this is a Bedrock type 6A, square sides, has most of the original japanning plus some extra paint splatters and traces. Handle and knob verynice. $85. Fulton 5260 (#4 size smooting plane) has a Sargent Hercules blade. A usable tool. $15. Stanley #40 scrub plane. Sweetheart blade with about 1 1/2" of usable length left (5" total length) Later style 40 with the longer rib under the blade for more blade support. Has a rosewood handle and a beech knob. $50. Craftsman duplex rabbet (similar to stanley 78) Grey with red cap. Complete with fence and depth stop. Good blade. $25. Spokeshaves: Unmarked #52 type $20. Stanley (?) #54 with blade made from a plane blade. This is the adjustable mouth spokeshave... $20. Stanley #64 with bottomo filed round like a #63 $15. Stanley #64 with some red paint on the handles. $20. Kunz 55 hollow shave $15. Fulton 8 inch drawknife. Plain straight blade drawknife. $10. Hibbard scraper (looks like a stanley #80) $15. Another spokeshave: Stanley 51 good later blade. $20. Stanley #75 bullnose rabbets. Have 2 of these, one is older, has no cap iron, the other is a later made in England, has no blade. (2 bodies, 1 blade, 1 cap) $25. for both of them. Spokeshave blades; Have some new stanley ones for the 51/52 and the 151 shaves, some are made in England and some are Made in USA with stanely in the notched rectangle. $5. for Made in England, $8 for USA> Wanted to buy: Handles for a Miller Falls #12 breast drill. Bothe the side and crank handles, wood and metal parts. Thanks. Jim Erdman ++++ End of thread 18850 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18851 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42655 (thread 18851) ---- From: Anatol Polillo Date: 1998-05-04 14:37:00 Subject: FS: "Hand Saw Sharpening" & "Stanley Planes by the Numbers" Fellow Galoots, I am pleased to announce that "Hand Saw Sharpening" hosted by Tom Law is now available (well, it will be in 5-7 days. So send those orders in now). This one hour video will have you filing saws well into the night. The tape covers Rip (including dovetail) and cross-cut saws. Each tape comes with a Quick Reference Guide that you may want to keep in your shop and "Fact on Files", a publication of Simonds Industries. Tom delivers easy to follow instructions and great tips. A must for every shop with a hand saw in it. The price is $24.95 plus $3 S&H. MD residents add $1.25 for tax. VHS/NTSC only. E-mail me if you have questions. ALSO Available, The "Stanley Planes by(the)Numbers" video is for collectors and users of hand planes. Host Patrick Leach leads the viewer through the myriad of planes produced by the Stanley Rule and Level Company. From the highly prized #1 to the #444 Dovetail plane, Patrick shows how these planes are used, variations and improvements in design and what to look for when you are purchasing a plane. This video features over 100 planes and is an excellent chance to see some of the rarest. Running time 90 minutes. VHS/NTSC only. (Mexico/USA/Canada). Price $29.95 plus $3 S&H MD residents add $1.50 for tax. At this time, the only method of payment is by check or money order. Please send the total that applies to the following address. Please allow 3 weeks for delivery. ALP Productions 3706 Ednor Road Baltimore, Md. 21218-2049 Please include your name and mailing address. ++++ End of thread 18851 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18852 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42656 (thread 18852) ---- From: D & B Brown Date: 1998-05-04 15:25:00 Subject: FS: May FMM Standard "old tool terms". I ship USPS, insured, (usually within 24 hrs) cheapest way, unless you request "Priority" or unless the difference between the 2 is nominal. You pay the amount agreed upon plus whatever shipping is on the package as soon as you receive your order. That means a check put in the mail to me no later than 3 days after receipt. If you want to return an item, you pay shipping both ways unless you can show me where I've made a mistake in the description. In that case, I pay shipping. *** NEW FEATURE *** Well, I've stumbled into the 20th century & now own a scanner. I've even learned how to turn a pretty decent picture into a reasonably small .jpg file for attaching to e-mail. So if an asterick preceeds the item # on my list below, I do have a picture available & will be glad to send it to you upon request. Depending on what the item is, there may be more than 1 item in the picture but I'll clearly explain what's shown, in a left to right format, to eliminate confusion. David Brown For Sale: * #1 Stanley #113 compass plane: 1940s; aprox. 60% japanning; nickle on knob mostly gone, about 50% on lever cap. Wrong cutter but full length & useable. Light rust on metal parts, minor pitting on sole. Will clean up & is definately useable. $75.00 * #2 Stanley #3 smoothing plane: 2 Pat'd dates (Mar. 25, '02 & Aug. 19, '02); low knob, xlnt rosewood but little finish left. Definitely a repaint (not by me!) 85% of "V" trademark cutter. All parts correct & overall in good useable condition. $35.00 * #3 Stanley #80 cabinet scraper: Pat'd 6-2-14 & 6-23-14. Japanning about 85%, nickel 99%. Sole is clean. full correct SW cutter. Only regret, some pitting on back of cutter, should not effect use. $20.00 * #4 Stanley #18 knuckle joint block plane: Pat'd 2-18-13. Japanning about 90%, nickel mostly gone on cap. Full S.R.& L. Co. blade. Overall very good condition. $20.00 * #5 Buck Bros. socketed bevel edge chisels: matched 5/8" & 1/2" w/original handles. Socket to tip 7 1/2", OAL 11 3/4". xlnt condition. $25.00/pair * #6 D.R.Barton 1" tang type gouge: Tip to tang 5 1/2", OAL 12"; Long fancy pattern maker's type handle was cracked & I felt too nice to discard. The crack has been repaired with West Systems epoxy. Handle has some dings as well. Definately useable & in other wise good condition. $15.00 * #7 Cranked neck, tang type chisel: 3/4". Can't find a maker's name (probably English). Tang to tip 8 7/8", OAL 14 3/4". Handle & blade in xlnt condition. $15.00 * #8 Buell Bros., Clinton, Conn, 7" rosewood tool holder w/7 good quality tools: Rosewood in xlnt condition with 99% of it's original finish. There is no plating evident on the ferrule & wing collet. Can't say one way or another if it was supposed to have any plating. The metal has a nice patina (no rust). Tools included: 1/2" & 3/8" chisels, 3/8" gouge, countersink, gimmlet bit, awl & saw. $25.00 * #9 Starrett 12" combination square: blade & all machined surfaces clean & rust free; japanning about 90%; level vial intact, missing scribe. $15.00 * #10 Starrett 6" combination square: blade & all machined surfaces clean & rust free; japanning about 90%; level vial intact, missing scribe. $12.00 * #11 Buy both Starrett squares, (items #9 & #10 above) for $25.00 * #12 Starrett #183 steel protractor: xlnt condition but someone got creative & cut if off (professionally done) at 60 degrees on one side. $3.00 * #13 Starrett #110 guage holder with 1 1/4" steel rule. xlnt condition. $5.00 #14 Disston D23 26" 8TPI cross cut saw (from the '40s): 5 nut w/emblem; completely intact handle w/wheat carving & a small amount of original finish. Blade is clean, no rust & fairly sharp. Used but well cared for. $6.00 #15 Old canvass lineman's bucket with leather bottom: Good condition & very useful; 12" diameter, 15" tall, 1 inside pocket. $5.00 #16 Stanley #25, 24" mahagony adjustable level: SR&L Co. Pat'd 6-2-91 & 6-23-96; Wood is well worn & all the hardware has been removed from it. All hdwre is intact, complete & original, lots of brass. All 3 level vials are intact & w/liquid. Some Assembly Required ;-) $10.00 #17 General Hdwe #840 HD doweling jig w/auger bit depth guage: Unused, in original box w/instructions. Mint $10.00 Books & Magazines #18 _A Manual of Industrial Drawing for Carpenters_ by W.F.Decker: 1885, hardcover, 6.25" x 9", 176 pages, very good condition. $12.00 #19 _Airplane Design_ by Wood: 1938, softcover; Design & construction of wooden airplanes; 8.5" x 10.75". 312 pages. $10.00 #20 _Handmade Houses, A Guide to the Woodbutcher's Art_ by Boericke & Shapiro: 1973, softcover; 8" x 10". 90 pages. Very 60's. $5.00 #21 Deltagram Compilation: Book #3: Ex-libris; hardcover; many interesting projects & techniques. Particularly interesting as Book 3 is the War years, beginning in 1941 & taking you all the way through. Xlnt cond. $15.00 #22_Getting the Most Out of Your Abrasive Tools_, Deltacraft: 1955, hardcover, 5.75" x 8.75". 102 pgs. xlnt condition $7.00 #23 DoAll Contour Saws, 1943, by Leighton Wilkie , Hardcover, 6.25"x9.25", 250 pages with fold outs. Treatise on use of & techniques for the band saw. Xlnt condition $6.00 #24 Popular Woodworking Magazine: Issue #s 24, 25, 27, 31-34, 38-41, 43-48, 51 & 53. 19 issues total - $10.00/all #25 The Woodworkers Journal: Issue #s: Vol. 8 #1 & #6: Vol 9 #1-4 & 2ea. of #6: Vol. 10 #1-4, 2ea. of #5 & 2ea. of #6: Vol. 11 #1, 2ea. of #2, #3: Vol. 13 #1 & #2. 22 magazines total - $10.00/all ++++ End of thread 18852 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18853 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42657 (thread 18853) ---- From: Lootens, Rob Date: 1998-05-04 11:09:00 Subject: For Sale 5-04-98 Greetings Gentle Galoots, Welcome to another Flea Market Monday. I have several new items for sale as well as some elusive tools that I'm making available this month. I'm liquidating many of my 20th century tools to make room for some 19th century Wood Planes. "Standard Leach" terms apply. I only send via United States Postal Service. Shipping IS included in all of the prices. Thanks again to all of you who purchased tools from me. I look forward to serving you. Sincerely, Rob Lootens Utica, Michigan FOR SALE 5-04-98 Rabbet Planes Item 1 Stanley # 90 Bullnose Rabbet Plane, AA Logo, 99% nickel, little used if at all, EXCELLENT condition $100 PostPaid Item 2 Stanley # 92 Cabinet Makers Rabbet Plane, BB Logo, 95% nickel, little used if at all, EXCELLENT condition $125 Post Paid Item 3 Stanley # 94 Cabinet Makers Rabbet Plane, Type 1, 50% nickel, PAT'D blade 3-13-1900, near original length, GOOD ++ condition, $280 PostPaid. Item 4 Stanley # 140 Rabbet and Block Plane, Type 2, all original parts, 80% japan, 90% nickel, An early and gorgeous example of this exotic Block plane. GOOD ++ condition. $140 PostPaid. Item 5 Stanley # 79 Side Rabbet Plane, WWII Type with older semicircular cutout, BB Logo blades, 90% japan, GOOD+ condition, $80 PostPaid Item 6 Stanley # 78 Duplex Rabbet and Filletster Plane, Type 1 complete with all original parts, 85% japan, GOOD $50 PostPaid. Block Planes Item 7 Stanley # 100 Block Plane, with squirrel tail, Y Logo Sweetheart blade, as found, will clean to GOOD +, $45 PostPaid. Item 8 Union # 103 School Boy Block Plane, same as one shown on top of page 36 of Garret Hacks "HandPlane Book", great shape, 60% japan $35 PostPaid. Bench Planes Item 8 Stanley # 7C, Jointer Plane, as found, this low knob beauty will clean to GOOD +, 95% of original finishes, $80 PostPaid. Item 9 Stanley # 4C, Type 11, Q Logo iron, nice low knob, someone long ago blasted the main body and repainted it; however it is still in great shape and a terrific user. $28 PostPaid. Item 10 Millers Falls # 11 Jack Plane, MINT and in the Box, this one is actually nicer than the one Paddy has on view at his website, the box top and label is GOOD ++ but the inner box is taped, resulting in just a GOOD rating. This super shiny chrome, bright candyapple red tote and knob beauty can grace your shop for $125 PostPaid. Combination Planes Item 11 Stanley # 46 Skew Cutter Combination Plane, Type 10 with rosewood fence, 90% nickel and exceptional wood all around, cutters are complete except for the 13/16 in a plain wood blade box without a label (looks original) GOOD + condition, $175 PostPaid. Scraper Planes Item 12 Stanley # 12 Veneer Scraper, Type 2, B casting, complete and original, brass is unbuffed, 85% japan, SR&L Co. arched logo on blade, gorgeous rosewood handle with nearly 95% original finish, a GOOD+ example of this early scraper. $110 PostPaid. Item 13 Stanley # 81 Cabinet Scraper, 90% nickel, unused AA Logo blade (from the M of A), rosewood base is in excellent condition, will clean to GOOD+ $100 PostPaid. Item 14 Stanley # 70 Box Scraper, Early Type, near original length blade Type T Logo, as found, will clean to GOOD+ $35 PostPaid. Item 15 Stanley # 82 Cabinet Scraper, Type 1, superb wood all around, Y logo Sweetheart blade, 85% japan, only apology is a crack in the brass ferrule otherwise GOOD+ condition, $40 PostPaid Spokeshaves Item 16 Stanley # 53 Adjustable Mouth Spoke Shave, 75% japan, V Logo blade is near original length, a superb user, complete and GOOD condition, $25 PostPaid. Item 17 Stanley # 54 Adjustable Mouth Spoke Shave, 50% japan, J Logo blade is near original length, complete and GOOD condition, a superb user, $25 PostPaid I will take $45 for both of the above to one buyer. Items 18 Stanley # 28 and # 29 Cornering Tools, unused, BB Logo, EXCELLENT condition, the pair $35 PostPaid. Thank you for your interest. ++++ End of thread 18853 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18854 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42658 (thread 18854) ---- From: Tom Johnson Date: 1998-05-04 15:25:00 Subject: WTB Bergs / Mathieson If this turns up to be a double...hit delete now.... haven't seen my own lists appear (posted at 4:00 a.m. this morning...aaarrgghh Want to Buy List MATHIESON H&Rs type 13 # 7 : 8c Auger bits marked BAILEY BIT I especially need sizes #5 and #15 to complete a boxed set and would be willing to pay a premium for them. Auger bits marked only RUSSELL JENNINGS with fine lead screws in sizes #8 / 11 / 15 Auger bits marked RJ-100 in sizes #8 and 9 (only the super spiffy need apply) Russell Jennings bits in sizes over #16 Eskilstuna (Eric Anton Berg) chisels (esp larger sizes / tang type) Stanley 921 Braces in 6, 12 and 14 inch swings Stanley chisels: 750's in sizes 3/8 : 1 3/4 : 2 arch type leather punches in sizes 1/2 inch and up ++++ End of thread 18854 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18855 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42659 (thread 18855) ---- From: David Woodham Date: 1998-05-04 15:25:00 Subject: WTB Greetings, I picked up a No 48 this weekend that is in need of the two small irons. It is an older one with the wayward ivy on the tote if this maters. Thanks in advance, Dave ++++ End of thread 18855 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18856 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42660 (thread 18856) ---- From: Dave Hucaby Date: 1998-05-04 13:51:00 Subject: WTB - Preston tools & catalog I'm interested in giving Preston tools a good home. I'm most interested in a Preston shoulder plane and a router, but others are welcome too. Also, I'm looking for a Preston catalog reprint (grey cover) that Ken Roberts might have done. This one is prior to the popular 1909 reprint (yellow cover) that I already have. If you have the grey book and don't want to sell it, would you consider selling me a photocopy of it? Thanks much, Dave Hucaby dave@i... Lex, KY ++++ End of thread 18856 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18857 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42661 (thread 18857) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 12:13:00 Subject: FS - 4/4 rough Birch. Sorry for the second FS post, but I forgot to mention for Galoots in the NH, MA area (others that like to drive) I have some 4/4 rough Birch for sale. It's been air dried for over 18 months and it is now in my shed. It ranges in width from about 4 to 7 inches (there may be a few 8") and about 8 feet long. It's all native NH species mixed between white, black and yellow birch, but mostly yellow. I have about 300 bf to sell. Price - $.50/bf or if you want it all we could talk. Located in Sandown, NH which is about 15 mile southeast of Manchester. Thanks, Steve ++++ End of thread 18857 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18858 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42663 (thread 18858) ---- From: Brendler Date: 1998-05-04 12:21:00 Subject: FS: Yet More Marking Gages The following items from my collection are for sale. Prices do not include shipping. - Goodell-Pratt #222 3-Armed Marking Gage (G+) - $75 A superb user gage in excellent condition, with beat-to-hell original box (box poor, but label good). Has pizza-wheel style cutters on 8", 4", and 3" arms (graduated in 32nds!), with a heavy hexagonal head. - Stanley #61 Marking Gage (G+) - $10 A real beaut, with a couple of tiny chips on the beech (not boxwood) thumbscrew being the only detraction. This one has the notched rectangle logo, and remnants of the original price tag. - Stanley #65 Marking Gage (G+) - $30 A spiffy example of Stanley's most common marking gage. This one has a short pin and a couple of tiny chips around the top of the pin hole, but otherwise is in great condition. - Stanley #165 Marking Gage (G-) - $40 A marking gage with Stanley's patented face plate for marking convex or concave curves as well as straight surfaces. It is a beautiful piece, but has an old repair. The head has cracked on one side of the arm hole, which was nicely repaired with a countersunk brass machine screw. Note that this is *marked* as #165, with a nice patina, "Sweetheart" logo, and sharp markings. If not for the repair, this is a G+ tool. It still displays nicely, and would make a fine "user". - Stanley #71 Marking/Mortise Gage (G) - $30 A very early version of the classic 2-armed wooden gage, with nice dark patina. It has some toolbox wear on the corners of the head and arms, and could use a good cleaning, but the graduations are clear and the points appear to be full-length. - Stanley #90 Marking Gage (G) - $12 A nice example of Stanley's simplest metal marking gage. This one is pre-WWI, with an unusual mark on the screw reminiscent of the "T" marking on plane irons. This one may have been sandblasted in a prior life, as the head shows a slight copper hue. - Stanley #98 Marking/Mortise Gage (G+) - $40 Stanley's classic 2-armed pizza-wheel gage. This is a WWI-era tool, with the gothic script casting and a "V" logo on one nut. Nickel is nearly perfect on the arms, and much better than average on the head (missing mostly on ends). Both points and wheels are sharp and in perfect condition, and wheels turn freely. The only knock on this one is that some numb-nuts added slots to the lock screws (at least he did a nice job at it). - Stanley #95-1/2 Butt Gage (G) - $40 This is the rarest of Stanley's butt gages, produced for only a few years before WW-I (1911-1917). This particular one is in nice shape, with ~75% of the nickel there (missing mostly on the ends), and a "V" logo on one knob. ++++ End of thread 18858 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18859 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42664 (thread 18859) ---- From: Jim Cook Date: 1998-05-04 11:23:00 Subject: FS Jim Cook's tool list 5/4 (updated 5/4) - I've reduced some prices if you want to check out the entire list. Note* - My email at work is really flaky sometimes, so if you're replying, and don't get through, you may want to try 'j.cook@g...' These tools are mostly users, and they *will* be clean (not overcleaned, I use steel wool and wd-40 mostly, though I will use electrolysis for extreme rust). The most you should need to do is sharpen the cutter, and in some (but not all) cases I will have done that as well. Conditions, terms, disclaimers and philosophy are at the end of the list so you don't have to wade throught it; you can get right to the tools. ** Newly added ** () Millers Falls #10 - 10" smoother with 2-3/8" wide cutter, like a Stanley #4-1/2. Japanning near 100%, nickel on the patented hinged lever cap about 95%. The tote was cracked and reglued, but it was a clean job. The tote tip is intact. The metal is in good shape. The original cutter has a full 2" of length. The finish on the wood is rough. $85. () Stanley #12 scraper type 1, Japanning complete except at the upper edges. Full length cutter (but not the original with corners at 45 degrees). In really nice shape. $130. () Stanley 4-1/2 type 17. Black plastic depth adjust knob, no frog adjuster. Kidney lever cap. Beech in good shape, wood is intact, the finish on the knob is a little rough. Japanning 95%, over 2" left on cutter. $70 () Stanley #6 type 17-18, nickel perfect on kidney lever cap, japanning 95%. 1-1/2" left on cutter. The finish is worn on the beech knob and tote and the tip of the tote is missing, though the break appears recent. The metal is in nice shape. $45. () Stanley #4 type 9, Japanning only about 35-40%, rosewood very good good cutter length. sole lapped flat. Excellent user. $35. ** Books ** (434) Fine Woodworking, issues #86 through #124 complete. I'd like to sell these as a set. $85. ** Specialty and other ** (275) Stanley #10 Jack Rabbet type 6 (1890's) with graceful thin sides, date in depth adjuster knob. The wood is perfect, unusual style cutter (the screw goes through cap iron into the cutter, instead of through the cutter into the cap iron) retains most of its original length and though pitted at the top, is flat backed, sharp at the business end and ready to cut rabbets. Japanning is very poor to non-existant, light pitting on the sides, though not very much. An excellent user at $110. (431) Stanley #55. Mostly complete except for parts listed below. Comes in a very nice user made box (it looks like cherry) with user made blade holder containing a complete set of 54 cutters (plus the slitter). Four of the cutters have pitting, but not at the cutting edges. Nickel is missing in the usual places along the tops of surfaces, but the plane is rust free. The adjustable fence has a small chip out of one end, but it's not where it will affect its function. Parts missing: short rods, Auxillary Center bottom (#40), Angle itron & adjusting screws (#42), Beading stop (#73), Sliding section depth gauge (#77). The price reflects the missing parts. $245. (206) Unmarked (but I think it's a Sterns) scraper, like a Stanley #80. Most of the Japanning is gone, but the metal is clean. Cutter included. $25. ** Jack Planes and Fore Planes ** (9) Stanley #5 type 17 jack. Rosewood knob and tote, high knob, wood in great shape. WWII era, no frog adjustment, black rubber/plastic depth adjusting knob. has a really nice casting, japanning better than 90%, 2" left on sharp notched rectangle iron. $40.(reduced 3/12) (397) Stanley #5-1/4 Junior Jack. The casting is from the '30's, with rosewood tote, "hardwood" knob. The frog fits and works, but the lateral lever is the single piece of metal with the end twisted, instead of the standard Stanley adjust lever. Japanning is about 60%. The sole has a couple of pits about 1/2" across, that appear to be from splatters of acid instead of rust as there's no evidence of pitting anywhere else. These are in places that should have no affect on planing. 1-7/8" remains on Sweetheart cutter. The plane looks good, in spite of the mismatches in parts, and should plane well. $40 (402) Seigley 14" Jack plane, "No 8" pre-Stanley. Note: Good only for display, NOT a user as it has some fatal flaws preventing use. This is a good plane to put on the shelf for folks to look at. It has interesting features, among them being Siegley's version of the adjustable mouth, and a fixed frog. Thin, corrugated sole, beech knob and checkered tote. The tote was cracked then screwed back together, I've repaired this by removing the screw and gluing it back together, but there's a hole remaining where the screw was. I don't remember if this plane is in PTAMPIA. Flaw #1 - The tote is only held in place by the front screw - the receiver in the sole for the tote bolt has been drilled out. It could be fixed with a threaded insert epoxied in place. Flaw #2 - a 3" long crack along one of the corrugations at the back left corner of the sole, this could probably be repaired by brazing, but that's not something I know how to do. Because of the flaws, this plane is $45 (reduced 4/15). ** Jointers ** (439) Sargent 424. 24" jointer (like a Stanley #8), has VBM lever cap and 2-3/8" on the VBM cutter. The japanning is as good as it gets at about 95-98%, and the mahogany knob and tote are flawless. ASA stamped his initials on the cutter, the cap iron, and along the back of the right side. The only apology is a big 3/8" hanging hole centered about 1" from the front of the sole. $110. (414) Sargent 424 (24" jointer like a Stanley #8), About 90% japanning, a full 2" on the original cutter. Sole shows little wear. High knob, no frog adjuster. Wood in great shape, the tote could use refinishing, but all the wood is intact with no chips or cracks. The knob appears to be rosewood, the tote mahogany. $95 (reduced 3/11) (297) Stanley #7 type 7 (1893-1899)), low knob, right hand thread depth adjuster, all wood intact. Cutter is newer than original (notched rectangle), but with good length. Japanning about 60-70%. $60. ** Metal smoothers ** () Stanley 4-1/2 type 9. The tote was been reglued (not a great job but ok) before I got it. The tote tip is intact. Japanning about 70%. The cutter is sharp and the plane is ready to work. $75. (164b) Stanley #4 type 20. Blue finish almost perfect. Metal is also very clean. Round top cutter with 1-7/8" remaining, two piece stamped depth adjusting yoke. Tote is rosewood, the knob is "hardwood" (beech). I suspect the knob is not original. $30. (427) Union #4 size smoother. Wood (beech) in excellent shape, nice thick cutter with 1-1/2" remaining. Finish is about 60%. $45. (415) Sargent 410 (10" smoother like a Stanley #4-1/2), Japanning about 75%, a full 2" left on Sargent cutter. High knob, no frog adjuster. The wood (mahagony) is nearly perfect except for chunk is missing from top of tote's horn, but nothing is missing from underside of the horn, so the grip is still comfortable and the profile of the tote is intact. $80. ** Transitionals ** (168) Sargent 3418 VBM transitional 18" jointer. Missing the very tip of the tote, but has enough to function and be comfortable to hold. The sole is dead flat, I totally refinished the body (sorry purists, it really needed the help). It now has no patina, but the beech in it's new state really looks pretty, and the plane is ready to use. $35. (96) Sargent 3415 transitional jack. knob and tote intact, finish is original, in pretty good though not perfect shape, the sole is flat. $35 ** Wooden Planes ** () Auburn 180 #8 5/8" hollow. small chip at the right front edge of the sole, and a couple of toolbox dings. Otherwise in good shape with nice patina. $14. () Auburn 1-7/8" rabbet, "1 8 1" stamped on the heel, owned at one time by JWMcCALL. Medium chip at right front edge of the sole. Has two small screw holes and evidence in the patina that a fence was attached to the right side at some past time. $14. ************** Disclaimers, conditions, terms: I attempt accurate descriptions, but if I'm not clear, please ask. Some of these tools were dirty or rusty when I got them, the cleaning has been done gently to leave as much of the original condition as is possible, though I will remove rust, paint spots and dirt. A few have required electrolysis, others had splits in the totes which I reglued (then stripped off the old finish, tung oiled, and waxed). Some have marginal japanning, or no patina (because I used electrolysis to remove rust). Others are nearly perfect. I sharpen some of these, but that isn't a given. I'll note if there's pitting on the sole or cheeks. Unless noted, the sole should be reasonably flat. On the electrolyzed planes, if the japanning is totally gone, I'll note if I put on a couple of coats of black glossy rustoleum, which won't be at all confused with proper japanning, but will preserve the metal from re-rusting and look reasonably good as well. I won't send out anything with serious flaws (irrepairable problems, like cracked or broken castings). I'll let you know if a sole needs to be lapped, whether the tote is cracked and refinished, and whether I've done repairs, no matter how good a job I thought I did. Nothing goes out without cleaning. I won't put "dirty, rusty, covered with smutz, but will clean up to fine+" on my list. I've discovered serious flaws hiding under "patina", and don't trust what I can't see. Also, I'd like you to open something that feels like a Christmas present, clean, ready to sharpen and make shavings with. Two sets of terms: If you're not on the oldtools listserv: Prices do not include shipping. I prefer payment via check or money order, for price of tool plus estimated shipping. Then I'll ship the tool out to you. If there are any problems with the tool you discover within three weeks after I've shipped it, send it back to me for full refund of your original check amount. That means if you don't like it, I eat the shipping to you, and you pay for the shipping back to me. If you are on the oldtools listserv: Shipping and payment "standard oldtool" terms. You order, I'll ship, and if you find the tool acceptable, you pay amount of tool plus amount of shipping from where I live (in the Boston area) to where you live. If you don't find the tool okay, you pay shipping back to me. Best Regards, I hope you find something you like. Jim Cook Newton, MA ++++ End of thread 18859 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18860 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42666 (thread 18860) ---- From: La Pill Date: 1998-05-04 08:39:00 Subject: WTB: #8 lever cap, chipbreaker, blade I desparately need a levercap, chipbreaker and screw for a #8. (I think it's a type 10 but type for the parts doesn't matter.) A blade that is not pitted on the back would be great too, but at least that is something I can buy from Ron H or LN. If you've got these #8 parts sitting around somewhere, take pity on my sad #8c and help it feel complete and useful! Thanks, Bill ++++ End of thread 18860 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18861 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42667 (thread 18861) ---- From: Ken Greenberg Date: 1998-05-04 15:45:00 Subject: FS - Boring equipment Call it spring cleaning in the land of boring yard sales, but I've been finding some new old boring tools around. There are also a few items left over from last year's yard sales, so after selecting the missing bits I needed, I'm selling off the duplicates. Bits have been cleaned with WD-40 and 0000 steel wool, usually just so I could get rid of surface rust and read the logos. In all honesty, I'm just getting real tired of looking at some of this stuff, so I've reduced prices on the leftovers. Standard oldtools term apply. -Ken "I'll buy anything with a tang" Brace of the month ================== Stanley #923 10 inch reversable ratcheting brace. Well used, but in good condition. Would make a good user. $10 Matched Set of Augers ===================== Set of six matched Lakeside Irwin-style auger bits, still in their canvas roll. Set includes numbers 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 16 - just what you need to get started as a boring galoot. They have been well-used, but they are still bright and shiny, since they seem to have been put away clean after use. (Wish my user set was this nice.) Belonged to an 83-year-old galoot who was having a divorce sale. (Some questions are best left unasked....) $18 Countersink =========== I seem to have two of these, so clearly some other boring galoot should have one. This is a 1/2 inch countersink, stamped "MAYHEW." This looks like what Bernard Jones calls a brass countersink in "Practical Woodworker" - it has many cutting edges, running from the edge to the center like spokes of a wheel. I don't know why you couldn't use it for wood or metal, though. $1. Twist Drills ============ Got enough augers? Well, you can't have too many oldtools, so perhaps you need to start building a set of twist drill bits to use with your brace. These look similar to modern twist drill bits for power tools, but have tangs. All in good shape, all about 5 inches long. Most have a cutting angle of about 118 degrees like a drill bit for a power drill. $1.00 each. TD1 - Syracuse 3/16 inch, cutting angle about 90 degrees TD2 - Wards Master 1/4 inch TD3 - Morse 5/16 inch TD4 - No-name 5/16 inch TD5 - Morse 3/8 inch Auger bits ========== Irwin-style (1-twist, 2 cutter, med/coarse screw) augers. Mostly leftovers, so you can have any of these for $2 each. AB1 - #6 Greenley, mark "No. 22", 3/32 spurs AB2 - $7 HSBS Co., mark "Our Very Best", 3/32 spurs AB3 - #11 Irwin SPEEDBOR (single cutter), 4/32 spur AB4 - #11 unknown maker, stamped "economy", 5/32 spurs AB5 - #12 Keen Kutter (?), 4/32 spurs, has been wire brushed AB6 - #12 Clean Cut, 4/32 spurs AB7 - #14 Greenlee, 6/32 spurs AB8 - #14 Irwin MAINBOR style (modern logo), 5/32 spur, bright metal AB9 - #14 Irwin box logo, 3/32 spurs AB10 - #14 Irwin MAINBOR (box logo), 5/32 spurs, good Other Augers, not as easily categorized as above: AB11 - #11 Greenlee "No. 31" double twist, coarse threads, 3/32 spurs, clean - $2 AB12 - Adjustable bit, 7/8 to 1 3/4, no makers stamp, bright metal -$3 AB13 - Adjustable bit, 7/8 to 1 3/4, "CLAR(K?) ConVALco Expansive USA", very clean - $3 Bottom Feeder's Specials ======================== Normally, these would just be saved for garage sales, but I just know there are some really cheap galoots out there (me being one of them). If you just want to make holes and don't mind auger bits that need a little work, you can have these for $1.00 apiece. The description explains why they are in this category. BF1 - #5 Irwin style, quite rusty (needs electrolysis?), unknown maker, looks OK, too lazy to clean these up so I'm selling them as-is (I have two). BF2 - #7 Russell Jennings, spurs & cutters OK, tip broken & refiled, works OK BF3 - #8 No name Irwin style auger, spurless, cutters OK, tip broken BF4 - #8 Rahls Mfg., R-J style auger, spurs worn, cutter & tip OK, shaft slightly bent BF5 - #10 Vulcan Irwin-style auger, spurs bent in at tips, otherwise OK BF6 - #11 Caldwell-Lightening, 2-twist auger w/coarse lead screw, only 1 spur, cutters OK, tip broken. Has been wire-brushed. BF7 - #12 No name R-J style auger, spurs worn, some pitting, nick in 1 cutter, tip broken. Good fishing weight. BF8 - #16 Irwin - a project. Stamped "The Irwin Bit/PAT OCT 2..../ IMP'D APR 1...". One spur has tip broken off, cutters need to be filed back about 1/16 inch, but no pitting and the tip is in good shape. BF9 - Clean Cut adjustable bit with missing moving cutter. If you have a cutter about 1/4 inch high, this one might be useful to you. Ken Greenberg IT #321; Blue Galoot #82 400 Los Gatos Blvd., Los Gatos, CA 95032 ++++ End of thread 18861 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18862 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42668 (thread 18862) ---- From: John Crum Date: 1998-05-04 08:59:00 Subject: FS: Goodell-Pratt Mitre Box GG's, Got just this item FS: Goodell-Pratt Mitre Box. Don't know much about G-P tools, So I'll describe in excruciating detail. E-mail me if you need more. This one is marked No.1 305 A, Made in USA, Greenfield, Mass. The bed is 19.5" long by 4.5" wide. The surface of the bed is like a monster file- canted 45 deg with the fence, teeth facing the saw. The fence is a wavy bit of steel. This one may have a few parts missing- such as a bar that connects the two uprights (there is a provision for securing such), and perhaps stop rods, etc. The feet seem to be arc welded on in the front- but this might be original as there are no other means of attaching the feet in the front. Otherwise, it is complete and usable. Comes with a bad-*ss back saw- a full 30" long Henry Disston and Sons (as stamped on spine) with Disston medalion, which is in good shape (sharp fangs) with only a bit of rust well up from the teeth. I'm asking $50 (plus shipping, which I think will be about $15) -or trade for something good of equal value (looking for SW Stanley planes and some other junk). SOT terms if I know you. John Crum Sun Diego (except for the past few days where it has threatened to rain but has not really- just a prelude to June gloom. Oh, and the waves are awesome, dude.) ++++ End of thread 18862 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18863 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42669 (thread 18863) ---- From: Steven Johnson (MSR) Date: 1998-05-04 16:08:00 Subject: WTB: Irons for homemade plane(s) I need plane irons, and I'd like to start by just asking for irons with "Cast Steel" imprinted on them - British or American, I don't care. Width is also not an issue, but I'm only interested in full length or nearly full-length irons. Pre WWII is best. If you have one or more, and give me your price, I'll consider it. Thanks to any responders. Steve ++++ End of thread 18863 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18864 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42670 (thread 18864) ---- From: Dnbyr Date: 1998-05-04 12:08:00 Subject: WTB Stanley Items & More Hi, GG's: This month I'm seeking: Stanley Sweetheart Marking & Mortise Gauges, new or near new. Stanley Sweetheart tools, fine to new+. Stanley Sweetheart no. 2 and 3 planes, good+ and better. Stanley transitional planes in fine to new condition, '92 patent on cutter. Stanley tools in early green paper boxes. No. 3 size planes featuring patents other than those of Leonard Bailey, especially early and rare. Ivory and boxwood folding rules in mint condition. Pretty or unusual iron or exotic wood levels, 12" and under, also a minty 24" Davis inclinometer. Sargent or Winchester iron dado planes (similar to Stanley 39 series). Any small or medium-sized tools with great visual appeal. I pay well for great tools! Thanks, Don ++++ End of thread 18864 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18865 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42674 (thread 18865) ---- From: Deryck Harnett Date: 1998-05-04 10:23:00 Subject: FS: Chisels GGs, I have some chisels to sell, since I find that I have more than I would ever need (but also not enough cash to buy what I want). They are a mixed group, in good user condition or better except where noted. Swan - 1" bevel sided socket, 4 3/4" blade, split handle $16.00 - 3/8 square sided socket, 4 14" blade, no handle 13.00 Pexto - 1/2" bevel sided socket, 5" blade 14.00 HIbbard, Bartlett- 3/4" bevel sided socket, 5 1/2 blade, no handle 13.00 Jennings, Griffin- 1 1/4"square sided socket, 3" blade no handle, 15.00 needs work, but lots of steel Union - 1/2" square sided socket, 6" blade, no handle, socket needs work 12.00 noname - 9/16" square sided socket, 5 1/2" blade, no handle 9.00 noname - 3/4" bevel sided socket, no handle 10.00 I would sell all 8 together, for $75.00. Also there are 2 Japanese fishtail chisels, 12 mm at $19.00 and 22 mm at 22.00. SOT apply. Thanks for considering my list. Deryck Harnett ++++ End of thread 18865 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18866 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42675 (thread 18866) ---- From: Ron Hock Date: 1998-05-04 18:27:00 Subject: FS Blades and Such for Planes and More Hock Handmade Knives 16650 Mitchell Creek Dr. Fort Bragg, CA 95437 (707) 964-2782 fax (707) 964-7816 Email ron@h... Toll Free: (888) 28- BLADE or (888) 282-2533 "E-Brochure" and Price List Effective 9/1/97 Hey! Visit our Web page at http://www.hocktools.com It's not much but we call it home. Newish Stuff: We now offer replacement blades for the Stanley #112/12 and #80/81 Scraper Planes. The blades for the #12/112 are 3/32" thick X 2 7/8" wide X 5" long; for the #80/81, they're 1/16" X 2 1/2" X 3" long. Both are beveled at 45 degrees and are hardened for a balance of long edge life and burr "rollability" (you do have one of our burnishers, don't you?) For the #12/112 #SB112 $22.00 For the #80 #SB080 $16.00 For the #81 #SB081 $16.00 Marking Knife Blades! This is a right- or left-handed spear-point marking knife (the bevels are on one side only) perfect for scribing fine lines against a straight edge. This is a blade only; you make the handle. #MK075 3/32 x 3/4 x 7" $20.00 Blades for Wooden Spokeshaves! These replacements for the Conover blade have all the advantages ("sharpenability", edge-holding, etc.) of our other blades. They're 1/8" thick X 5/8 wide X 4" long, with the threaded posts and brass thumb nuts. We'll include the plans for making the wooden spokeshave as soon as John gets them spiffied up. #SB062 $22.00 Same Ol' (Really Great) Stuff: PLANE IRON ASSEMBLIES These blades were developed in collaboration with the faculty and staff at James Krenov's Fine-Woodworking studio here in Fort Bragg. 3-1/2" long by 3/16" thick, they won't deflect or chatter under the toughest use. Designed specifically for the finely-tuned handmade wooden plane, these irons are unbeatable. They come complete with 1/8" chip-breaker and assembly screw. Straight-Edge: 1" wide #PI100 $26.00 1-1/4" #PI125 $27.00 1-1/2" #PI150 $30.00 1-3/4" #PI175 $32.00 2" #PI200 $33.00 Radius-Edge: 1-1/4" x 4" radius #PR125 $30.00 1-1/2" x 5" radius #PR150 $32.00 1-3/4" x 6" radius #PR175 $33.00 PLANE KIT Our precision made kit provides a quick, sure way to realize the satisfaction of using a handmade wooden plane. Complete with a HOCK Plane-Iron Assembly, all you need is a drill, some clamps, a knife to adjust the throat, sandpaper (or plane) to true the sole, and a means of sharpening the iron. A HOCK kit is ideal for the novice as well as the professional woodworker who can't find the time to make a plane (or another one or two...) Our design is a basic Krenov-style, flat-bottom wooden plane -- simple and elegant. We use Rock Maple for the body and Jarah (or other suitable hardwood, depending on availability) for the sole. 1-3/4" Iron Width x 11" Finished Length #KF175 $69.00 PLANS If you're ready to make your own plane but are uncertain about the exact dimensions and angles, our full-scale plans will help you succeed. Flat-Bottom (Iron Width x Finished Length): 1-1/4" x 6" #FB125 $3.00 1-1/2" x 9" #FB150 $3.00 1-3/4" x 11" #FB175 $3.00 Round-Bottom: 1-1/4" x 6" #RB125 $3.00 1-1/2" x 8" #RB150 $3.00 1-3/4" x 10" #RB175 $3.00 Rabbet Plane: 1" x 6" #RP100 $3.00 All Seven Plans #PLANS $18.00 REPLACEMENT BLADES These blades offer a substantial improvement over the inferior "chrome-vanadium" blades that come with most contemporary tools. Our high-carbon tool steel blades can be honed easier and SHARPER. The difference will be obvious as soon as you start honing and will impress you as you use the blade. We guarantee them to be better! For BENCH PLANES we offer four standard widths. They're 7" long, 3/32" thick (17% thicker than "stock" blades,) have the traditional "keyhole" slot, and fit most planes. With a little work and a proper blade, those cast-iron planes can be tuned-up and made to perform beautifully. Flatten the sole, adjust the frog so the throat opening is no more than necessary, sharpen your new blade like a razor, and your plane will make "see-through" shavings and satin surfaces. 1-3/4" wide #BP175 $26.00 2" #BP200 $27.00 2-3/8" #BP238 $29.00 2-5/8" #BP262 $31.00 It seems the BLOCK PLANE is the workhorse of many cabinet shops. Although taken for granted, this is a very handy and versatile tool. And, like the larger bench planes, it responds will to a little of the same TLC described above. These blades are 4-1/4" long with oval center slot and machined adjusting "rack". For Record and American Stanley with 7/16" wide slot: 1-3/8" wide #BL138 $22.00 1-5/8" #BL162 $23.00 For English Stanley with 5/8" wide slot: 1-3/8" wide #BW138 $22.00 1-5/8" #BW162 $23.00 Perhaps the most dramatic improvement can be realized by accurizing and tuning your SPOKESHAVE. It's a mediocre tool as it comes from the factory, but with a quality blade and a little fussing, it becomes a versatile and sensitive tool capable of doing fine work. The Kunz adjustable-throat model needs to be disassembled at the "hinge" to facilitate the installation of our thicker blade, but the results are worth the effort. Kunz-Style, with open "U" slot: 1-3/4" wide #SP175 $15.00 2" #SP200 $16.00 Stanley and Record Style with the "dog-bone" shaped adjuster slots: 2-1/8" wide (#151 Style) #SP151 $20.00 VIOLIN KNIVES We offer three sizes of chip-carving blades suggested by the late master violin-maker, Hans Weisshaar. These knives are beveled on both sides (not one side like a marking knife) and are sold as blades only, no handles. 1/16" x 1/4" x 7" tip=10degrees, bevel=35degrees #VK025 $16.50 1/16" x 1/2" x 7" tip=25degrees, bevel=20degrees #VK050 $17.00 3/32" x 3/4" x 7" tip=25degrees, bevel=25degrees #VK075 $18.00 BURNISHERS Our burnishers are hardened (Rc64) and polished tool-steel rods that stand up well to constant use on scraper edges. Most others are not hard enough for this demanding application. 3/8" x 6" #BR375 $11.00 CUSTOM BLADES Yes, we make blades according to your specifications. Please send or fax a sketch with necessary specifics and we'll let you know if we can, how much, and how long it will take. FINE PRINT We accept checks in U.S. funds, Mastercard or Visa (include Expiration date and a daytime phone number), and C.O.D. We charge $7.00 per U.S. order of any size for shipping and handling (C.O.D. charges are an additional $4.75.) International shipping charges will be added as necessary. California customers please add 7.25% sales tax, a small price to pay to live in such a great state. We try to keep stock of everything but it could (and sometimes does) take 6 to 8 weeks to ship your order. Custom work can take (and has taken) even longer. My father used to say "you can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two." Your satisfaction is completely GUARANTEED. ABOUT STEEL The three qualities that most effect the selection of a steel for hand-tool application are edge-holding, sharpenability, and corrosion-resistance. For metallurgical reasons, you can only have two of the three. We at HOCK HANDMADE feel that in woodworking, corrosion-resistance is the least important of the three, and prefer an edge that is easily sharpened and long lasting. A steel's carbon content determines its ability to harden with heat treatment. That hardness determines a tool's ability to hold a sharp cutting edge under abrasive pressure (wear). Generally, the harder the metal the better its edge holding, but it will be more brittle. Tempering reduces that brittleness, although it also reduces the tool's hardness and wear resistance. So a balance must be struck to decide how hard a blade should be. Our blades are hardened to Rc62 for long edge life. This is harder than most available replacement blades yet not as hard or brittle as most Japanese blades. "Tool Steel" refers to a class of steels that are metallurgically very "clean" and fall within strict limits for alloy proportions. Vanadium, tungsten, and molybdenum are often added to tool steels to make the steel resist annealing (softening) when used in "high-speed" (high heat) applications. Chromium is added in very large quantities for corrosion resistance ("stainless"). High-speed steels are essential in metal-working tools (drills, milling cutters, etc.) and "stainless" steels can be cost effective by resisting rust during the manufacture, shipping, and storage of the tool itself. Correctly heat-treated, tools made from high-speed, stainless, and "chrome-vanadium" steels may hold an edge well in woodworking applications, but, due to the large, hard carbide particles that form during hardening, they are difficult to sharpen and cannot be honed as sharply as a blade of plain high-carbon steel. Our choice of High-Carbon Tool-Steel (.95% Carbon) offers the finest, sharpest edge possible. Its chromium and vanadium additions amount to only 1/2% each allowing quick, clean honing with traditional techniques. High-carbon steel holds and takes an edge better than anything else. We guarantee it. A Little About Us: We've been at this since 1981, starting out making knives and doing the craftsfair gigs, which has got to be the toughest marketing work in the world. The staff and students at James Krenov's Fine Woodworking Program at the College of the Redwoods here in Fort Bragg convinced me to re-tool to make plane irons for them. Turns out woodworkers are an easy market to target (one or two small ads in Fine Woodworking Magazine got us started) and are very appreciative of better-quality tools, too. Well, one thing led to another and here we are, all these years later making five or six thousand blades per year and not one kitchen knife. We are a small metalworking cottage industry located in the middle of Mendocino's renowned woodworking enclave. Our tools are handcrafted to satisfy the demands of the most discriminating professional. Shaping, beveling, and slotting are done by hand-grinding and precision machining; mostly the dedicated efforts of Larry and Tim, "the Brothers Quality" (everyone should have a Larry and a Tim). We focus on the intended use of the item and work to facilitate that end. Little attention (or expense) is spent on "image" considerations such as packaging, promotional gimmicks, or non-functional cosmetics. The extra thickness of our blades offers superior stability, precise adjustment, and easier honing. High-carbon tool steel -- not "high speed" or "chrome vanadium" -- holds and takes a keener edge better than anything else we've tried. I guarantee it. Ron Hock Hock Handmade Knives -- Ron Hock Hock Handmade Knives (888)282-5233 fax (707)964-7816 16650 Mitchell Creek Drive Fort Bragg, CA 95437 http://www.hocktools.com ++++ End of thread 18866 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18867 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42676 (thread 18867) ---- From: Eddie Sirotich Date: 1998-05-04 18:45:00 Subject: FS: Absolutely nothing this month Esteemed Galoots, I'm not selling anything this month because I'm seriously completing old furniture projects and I have to be on time for a new baby (he/she will not wait). This may actually take some time and I'll let you know when I start making saws again. Enjoy the rest of FMM, Eddie ----------------------------------------- Adria Tools - High Quality Dovetail Saws http://www.woodworking.com/adria/ ++++ End of thread 18867 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18868 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42677 (thread 18868) ---- From: Generations Furniture Date: 1998-05-04 19:18:00 Subject: FS: Planes, spokeshaves, etc. ---------- May list, hope you find something you like. Standard Old Tools Terms, you want, I ship, you like, you pay plus actual shipping. You don't like, you send back at your expense. I do try to describe accurately, if anything, under estimating condition. Most of this, I've had for a while. If you see something you like, let's talk. A couple of new items from the continuous search. Thanks for reading my list. PLANES: 4-1 Eclipse, made by Sargent, # 3 size, Tote broken and repaired, almost no varnish, 50% japanning, good blade, $15.00 4-2 Eclipse,#3 size, made by Sargent, good varnish, part decal on tote, 90% japanning, pitting on sole and right cheek which will not affect use, good blade. $18.50 DEAL: Take 'em both for $31.50 plus ship 4-3 Fulton, #4 size (Sargent made) 50% japanning, 40% varnish, light pitting on blade, sole and cheeks show wear, but still serviceable $15.00 4-4 Fulton, #4 size (Sargent made) handle repaired, front knob has a brass collar, good, unpitted blade. $10.00 DEAL: Take 'em both for $22.50 plus ship 4-5 Shelton, # 14, a little rough, but should clean to a good user, just surface crud and neglect. sole good, 2" of blade left. $22.50 4-6 Siegley, 18" CORRUGATED sole, half nickel chip out of cheek near toe, knob chipped around bottom, tote cracked at front screw, horn tip chipped, small crack from the mouth on one side only, 50% japanning, small hang hole in heel. None the less, an interesting plane, and only $35.00 DEAL: Take 4-5 and 4-6 for $50.00 plus ship 4-7 Millers Falls block plane (110 style) gray body, red hold-down, about 90% original. And only $22.50 4-8 Craftsman 78 style duplex. Gray, complete, 90% original finish, good blade, fence and depth stop. Nice, if you don't mind the name. $27.50 4-9 Stanley 113, typical wear, handle missing, good blade, no cracks or tears in sole. I tried to make this thing work and it's smarter than I am, so why don't you give it a try? $80.00 M-12 Stanley #78, looks like a repaint, no rust, has depth stop but no fence. $45.00 5-1 Stanley S5. Has apparently been in a school shop, with 3 names scratched on it. Wood could use a clean up. Surface rust, sole and cheeks mostly clean, jappaning mostly there, SW blade with good length, all correct. Could use a general cleaning. $100.00 5-2 Stanley # 7, SW, needs cleaning, little japanning, tote tip broken off, and cracked through down low. All there, needs TLC. $40.00 ================================================================ SPOKESHAVES ================================================================ Not this month ================================================================ DRAWKNIVES ================================================================ M-13 Shapleigh 4" drawknife, stained blade, needs a good sharpening, apparently repainted handles, $20.00 ================================================================ DRILLING STUFF ================================================================ 5-3 Merit push drill, needs oiling, plating good, no bits $7.50 5-4 Craftsman, different eggbeater. Fully enclosed turning system, all aluminum case and handle. There must have been a cap on the end, because it's threaded inside, but the end is gone. A neat and different tool. $6.75 That's it for this month. Hope there will be more next month. Thanks for reading. Bruce Z. ++++ End of thread 18868 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18869 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42678 (thread 18869) ---- From: sbmarcus Date: 1998-05-04 19:24:00 Subject: FS: Saws No old tools this month. Sold too well in the rain at Crane's to waste your time with a list of what's left. Instead a reminder to consider purchasing a Marcus & Clark traditional saw, proudly referred to as art that works. Images of these tools can be found at:http://www.eastconn.com/marcus/. Or j-peg images can be sent as e-mail attachments. We even ship photos by snail mail. Turning saw- The tool measures 23" long, handle to handle, and is 12 1/4" tall. The exposed length of the blade is 12 3/4". The body is birds-eye maple with cocobolo handles and tensioner, and brass fitments to hold the blade. The uprights are hand-carved with swans-neck finials. The rail is turned in bamboo style. It is supplied with one 1/4" blade, constructed from bandsaw stock, and I would be happy to provide others, of whatever size, for an additional price. The Tool is constructed with a unique joint holding the rail to the uprights, with a mortise and tenon joint seated in a socket with rounded shoulders. It is stained with aniline dye to bring out the figure and finished with three coats of shellac. It is entirely hand-made in my shop, and supplied ready to use, with a waxed twine tourniquet. The price is $200.00, plus shipping, which reflects the difficult and time-consuming nature of the construction. Delivery time should be less than one month from the receipt of order. Bow saw- We also now have available a Bow Saw made in the same manner as and designed like the Turning Saw, but slightly larger. It is 15 1/4" high, 31" long, has a depth of 6 3/4" between the blade and the rail, and takes a 20 3/4" blade. It is $250.00 plus shipping. The difference between these saws in use is that the turning saw is somewhat more useful for cutting out curved work, while the bow saw can be used more easily , due to its longer stroke, as a general- use bench saw. Coping and Fret saws- We also have available coping and fret saws, also based on an example of a saw we once owned. The Coping Saw measures 9 1/2" high, 15" wide and is 5" from blade to rail. The deep-throated Fret saw is 18" high, 15" wide and is 11 1/2" from blade to rail. Both saws are fitted to take standard 6 3/8" pinned coping saw blades, one of which is supplied with each saw. Both are made from strongly figured tiger maple with brass-ferruled, dark cocobolo handles on the fore side and tourniquet rod, and a hand-turned brass fitting on the rear that acts as a take-up screw to further adjust the blade tension beyond the adjustment made by the traditional cord and turned rod. The posts are finished with carved volute finials. The blade-holding shaft is steel. The Coping Saw is $135.00 plus shipping, the Fret Saw is $155.00 plus shipping. Delivery should be less than one month from receipt of order. Additionally available is an adaptable version of either which can be used with coping or jeweler's saw blades. This version is supplied with two different length rails and a blade-holding shaft that has a thumb-screw mechanism to hold the saw blades. The adaptable version of either can be had for an additional $45.00. The advantage of all these saws, in addition to their great beauty, is that it is possible with them to tension the blade much beyond what is possible with a standard metal-frame coping or deep-throat or jeweler's saw, and that it is much easier to turn the blade in the frame than is usual with modern versions. Bruce ++++ End of thread 18869 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18870 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42679 (thread 18870) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 19:47:00 Subject: WTB Denison H&Rs Item Subject: Text Item GGs, Still on the prowl for a couple of Denison Hs and Rs. I've had to amuse myself by picking up the odd Denison burfl just to keep in practice. That and trying to stay ahead of the Berg vacuum, Tom... So look around at your unused woodies and help a guy out. Thanks! Bruce Who is personally gonna rummage around under Tony's bench. There's GOT to be a flock of 'em under there! ---- Start of Message 42758 (thread 18870) ---- From: Anthony Seo Date: 1998-05-05 21:10:00 Subject: Re: WTB Denison H&Rs At 03:47 PM 5/4/98 -0400, BRUCE_VANSLOUN@H... wrote: > > Who is personally gonna rummage around under Tony's bench. There's GOT > to be a flock of 'em under there! > You'd love to know what's hiding under my workbench.... But then, so would I. Tony ________________________________________________________ Interesting Pennsylvania town names Intercourse, PA ________________________________________________________ ++++ End of thread 18870 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18871 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42680 (thread 18871) ---- From: Richard Wilson Date: 1998-05-04 20:01:00 Subject: New girl on the bench. A new to me Norris arrived last week. Took it to the office. - thought we should 'become acquainted' as it were. Seeing it in daylight I think I'm falling in love. Rosewood infill. and I've realised that the mouth is wide because the sorby iron is thinner than a Norris. So gglad I could recognise that - so as not to dismiss it as a wide mouth hopeless case. (I think it warmed to me a little when it sensed me realise that, and forgive it its aperture.) A careless owner in a long ago life let it be dropped on its bun, which split at the rivet. A repair by adding a vertical woodscrew has been effected - the screw is now missing. I've promised her a new little rosewood 'striking button' to cover the hole. Tasteful, you understand, tasteful. When I mentioned the idea of cutting back the old finish on the rosewood and re-oiling and polishing she definitely purred. - Must be a female - just SO pretty. and a new, thick blade. Just aas soon as I can get some GFS. Maybe need to get a stamp made up with 'ARW' on it... And those cute dimples beside the tote. between the sides and the where the casting curves up the side of the tote. - they'll need refinishing. I wonder what the original colour should be? The operating knob is strangely small and fine after the rather butch A5, but the mechanism runs more smoothly. Yep, a little more polishing here and there, a touch of work to make her and I appreciate each other, and I think it could be for life... this could be a 'prised from cold dead fingers' plane... (They hate it when I anthropomorphise them...) Richard acknowledging the quote from Ernie.. ---- Start of Message 42736 (thread 18871) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-05 07:40:00 Subject: Re: New girl on the bench. Richard: > rosewood and re-oiling and polishing she definitely purred. - Must > be a female - just SO pretty. ... > And those cute dimples beside the tote. between the sides and the > where the casting curves up the side of the tote. - they'll need > refinishing. I wonder what the original colour should be? Sounds like you better just go for fleshtones. Gene ---- Start of Message 42771 (thread 18871) ---- From: Richard Wilson Date: 1998-05-06 05:55:00 Subject: Re: New girl on the bench. Eugene took a pointed stick to my daydream..... >Richard: >> rosewood and re-oiling and polishing she definitely purred. - Must >> be a female - just SO pretty. ... >> And those cute dimples beside the tote. between the sides and the >> where the casting curves up the side of the tote. - they'll need >> refinishing. I wonder what the original colour should be? >Sounds like you better just go for fleshtones. >Gene Nah - call me fickle, but I glued the split bun and moved on.. On to some macho turning and knurling to rescue that 41 I mentioned. Now *That's* pretty - the light gleaming off the knurled adjuster.. the repetitive play of the sun off the BSW threads.... And such a cute little body - toy like beside a full size Preston or Record 73. Richard ARWilson@c... always gets delivered somehow, somewhere. ++++ End of thread 18871 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18872 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42681 (thread 18872) ---- From: stuart minuskin Date: 1998-05-04 20:13:00 Subject: wtb i need the following items: small old anvils brass or iron sterns universal spokeshave a nice stanley no 1 handplane a blade for stanley 72 plane a nice #77 dowel cutter thats all this month stu ++++ End of thread 18872 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18873 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42682 (thread 18873) ---- From: DNRSchwartz Date: 1998-05-04 17:20:00 Subject: WTB Polishing up some stuff... I need: -Disston 5-7 tpi rip saw. User, with fingerhole and nib. -(and a spare saw nut for the similar Disston Crosscut I already have) -Tenon saw, 10-15 tpi rip. User. Steel baxk preferable for the price break - #10 1/2 Beater/user. I have a replacement tote and knob, so those could be wasted on yours. I'd prefer a decent user to trade for my #10 but didn't get a good response for bartering last FMM. If someone DOES happen to want to trade, my #10 is a type 7 (I think) 80% japanning, sound wood, 3/4" usable blade. It won't fit in my Jewett/Studley style Patternmaker's chest. (That's why I want a #10 1/2). -eggbeater drill. User, in good working order. Not too 'tinny' or cheaply made. -bits for my Miller Falls 'Buck Rodgers' push drill. I bet somebody can help me with something on this list. Don't go overboard offering the primo collector version of any of the above. I don't want the responsibility of a NIB. Chris N. Schwartz, Feral Brewer... Give a man a beer, and he wastes an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he wastes a lifetime. http://mav.net/darc/prbc/ ++++ End of thread 18873 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18874 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42683 (thread 18874) ---- From: Esther Heller Date: 1998-05-04 21:42:00 Subject: Trip report buiding a lathe (long) Gentle Galoots, I was going to save this for tomorrow to avoid FMM traffic, but either my feed is slow, Cornell is having fun again, or you are all busy making instead of selling things, so here goes! I spent the weekend at Conover's Workshops at a 2 day class taught by Don Weber on building a lathe. This is basically the one built from building center supplies featured in the AW that came out in August 1996 (so by the logic of publishers was probably dated Oct or something), but with a bow and spool arrangement like one of the ones in Roy's book instead of the bungee cord. The trick is the bow tension is adjustable, unlike the bungee, and is documentably period for most re-enactors (slightly post period for SCA but SCA is more laid back about it). Originally it weas conceived as a pole lathe class, and somewhere in the planning the focus shifted to the bow as more portable. Don had also never been in Ernie's shop before, although they are obviously well acquainted, and Ernie was taking the class much like a student. The result was sort of like a very good cook cooking a fancy dinner in the kitchen of her good friend, also a good cook, but she has never seen the kitchen before. It works, but will work a lot more smoothly the second time around ;-) ;-) If you have seen the AW issue you have seen most of the lathe, 2 A frame shaped 2 x 4 ends holding up a pair of 2 x 6 ways, with glued up 2 x 4 poppets, all held together with carriage bolts and nuts. A 2 x 4 sliced lengthwise screwed to the A frames holds a crossbar over your head. In the AW version the bungee hangs from the crossbar, in the one we made a very large eyebolt in the middle of the cross bar holds a spokeshaved 5' length of hickory sapling tensioned by 4 lengths of 1/8' nylon rope running through a ~6" long and 2-3" diameter wooden spool with 4 lengthwise holes drilled through it. One hole crosswise holds the end of the rope that wraps around the work to drive it and you spin the spool to preload the tension on the bow when you set up the work. There are a couple of really good closeups of the same idea in one of Roy's books. When he was describing it, I noticed that he wasn't quoting Roy, but rather an obscure 1701 book in French that I had heard of once before that turned up in Roy's bibliography. Do any reference librarian types out there know of a source for L'arte du tourneur by Plumier? Or any reprints or translations of the same? Yes I read French... and would really like to look at the pictures too. I had spent a bunch of Christmas 1996 vacation trying to build the bungee cord version and never finished. I haven't gone downstairs to see what is different between the old one and this weekend, but I know that I was not as fussy about square and parallel making the poppets as I should have been. Also mine isn't cinched tight enough, mine was wobbly, this weekend's was not at all. We spent more time than predicted building so less time playing, but we had one running for a couple hours. I didn't get so much playing since I'm not so experienced with a 'lectric and was still getting stance and stuff down, but it is all believeable. One thing immediately obvious, Don's tools are huge. He has a roughing gouge and a straight two-sided flat (like a skew but 90 degrees, not sure what you call it) made from leaf springs that is something like 1 1/2" wide and original thickness. He claims he can make chair legs with those two, a bruzz(sp?) which looks like a big 90 degree V gouge, and small (my guess is 3/8- 1/2") ladyfinger gouge. Also used a 2-sided skew mebbe 1/2" wide with the edges of the stock rounded. But that is about it for tools. And to comment on the other thread about efficiency and hand tools, he says he can do his legs in 4 1/2 minutes each on his pole lathe at home....using green wood. The big thing when he demoed doing it, in green maple, was that you don't need to pump like a maniac, a slow but steady cadence was better. There was a lot of discussion about how to build a platform for little kids to use it at school demos. A bit of Daddy's hug to help hold the gouge a bit and you would be set. Slow is just fine, and amazing to watch. Apparently the Conover's and at least one other attendee do re-enactments (I think early 1800's) and several of the folks do school visits so the knockdown portability of not carrying a 16+' pole is a real attraction. The big pieces are 5' long, and the A frames are 44" wide, the whole thing fit into my Honda Civic hatchback (cute _little_ car Jeff) with plenty of room to spare. I can see a new camp amusement at SCA events when I get a bit of practice this summer. Don is a neighbor of Reverend Ron and teaches buiding this in his shop if any west coast galoots are interested. I suspect it will show up in Conover's class list again for the more easterly types. The one suggestion I would make for the geekier types is to spend a couple weeks working up your planing muscles slowly before going. The first day was spent mostly planing and sawing, which in my case seems to be the same set of muscles used the same way. I recognised I was going to be sore in the morning, but did not expect the screaming complaints I got. Fortunately most of the stuff was drawknifing and spokeshaving so I could plane a little, then do something else for a while, but I was afraid at one point that I was going to have to flat out say I can't keep up with the guys, which I have never had to do in that sort of situation before. Of course the other students consisted of an apprentice, a former apprentice, a chairmaker, a vet who smiths on the side, and about 3 other people including galoot Jim Cosgrove if I haven't mangled his name whose profession was unknown. Having survived Dunbar OK it was certainly unexpected. Would I do it again? Yes. Would I want to be in better shape? Certainly. But I'm feeling much better than expected today, even though short 2 hours sleep. And it's out in the country, and spring, and the lilacs are blooming.... Conover now has a website: http://www.conoverworkshops.com/ Don also has an email address and maintains a snail mailing list if anyone is interested, don't know how he feels about it being posted but I will mail to anyone who asks. Esther eoh@k... ++++ End of thread 18874 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18875 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42684 (thread 18875) ---- From: Michael Ehret Date: 1998-05-04 21:45:00 Subject: WTB- vise, Yankee bits Looking to buy 1) Phillips bits for my North Bros "Yankee" Screwdriver The bits are about 1/4 in diameter, but I haven't them at Home Depot, etc. BTW, can anyone tell a novice when these started to be made by Stanley. The North Bros driver is one of two tools that I aquired from my gradfather so it's got a lot of sentimental value. 2) A metal bench vise. Don't have the $ for a new Record or equivalent and would rather not buy a piece of imported junk. Sooo, here's what I'd like. Rapid acting highly desirable, doesn't need to be too large. Pop-up dog would be nice, but I can do something with wooden faces and dowels. If it seems pretty usable, I'll give it a try. I've toyed around with electrolysis (Awesome !) and am more than willing to derust a "project vise. ++++ End of thread 18875 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18876 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42685 (thread 18876) ---- From: Chris Dunn Date: 1998-05-04 21:48:00 Subject: WTB WTB List: ******** Stanley #30 Angle divider: sliding screw & knurled nut assembly and bottom blade & screw assembly. Millers Falls #709 Smooth Plane (Buck Rogers #4 size) Union #21 Cap iron for #21 transitional (non-Union is OK). #22 and #23 caps are the same width and would be equally acceptable (as would other than Union). Stanley #104 Lever cap (Liberty Bell) Chaplin #1233 Iron for Tower & Lyon #1233 Chaplin's Improved Patented smooth plane - will trade long 1 3/4" "B. Plane Patd Oct 22, 1889" iron currently in it Sargent #1088 One short rod Stanley #10 1892 iron & cap iron Stanley #75 Lever cap from older model Stanley #3 Type 14 lever cap (STANLEY w/keyhole), iron (SW), cap iron Stanley #4 Type 15 lever cap (STANLEY w/keyhole) Trade or buy? Thanks, Chris ++++ End of thread 18876 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18877 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42686 (thread 18877) ---- From: BRUCE KANTELIS Date: 1998-05-04 21:52:00 Subject: Chisels for sale Hello All! A few items: 2" firmer tang type W Butcher long blade $15 2" I&H Sorby tang type firmer long blade $20 1 1/2 tang type firmer W Butcher long blade $15 1" Marples tang type firmer long blade lousy handle $15 1" socket style Witherby firmer $15 All have no handles otherwise fine shape with no damage. Will also trade for Bergs. Regards, Bruce ++++ End of thread 18877 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18878 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42687 (thread 18878) ---- From: Paul Ebert Date: 1998-05-04 22:27:00 Subject: WTB: chipbreaker GGs, OK, here's a tough one for you all. I am looking for a 2 1/8" chip breaker (with bolt) for my panel raiser. Alternatively, I'd consider a chip breaker and iron combo. If you've got anything like that laying around, let me know. I'll be away from email until Friday, so please don't be put off by slow response. Thanks much. Paul Ebert ++++ End of thread 18878 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18879 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42688 (thread 18879) ---- From: Bruce Mosher Date: 1998-05-04 22:40:00 Subject: FS Veneer OK GG's time is running out,... I'm down to about 1,400 lbs of veneer, so act fast! Mixed specie (not flitch contiguous) hardwoods -white oak, maple, cherry, walnut & Guatemalan primavera. From 6-12" widths, 34" or 8' lengths (your preference). Price Includes delivery in the lower 48, others inquire. This is first quality, and there's somewhere between 12 & 16 square foot per lb (some specie are thicker than others). 10 lbs = $ 35 20 lbs = $ 50 30 lbs = $ 60 or, if you want to drive to Williamston, I'll give you a cup of coffee & sell you veneer @ $1.50 a pound, in lots of 50 lbs or more. If you want comments from former buyers I can send a list (some have gloated to the list, so I feel pretty cocky ). Payment SOT. Cheers- Bruce Mosher ++++ End of thread 18879 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18880 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42689 (thread 18880) ---- From: David Sutton Date: 1998-05-04 17:31:00 Subject: WTB: Backsaws, Froes, Eggbeater drill I'm in the market for a couple of saws and a couple of froes. In all cases I want tools that are that what I call "User Excellent", in other words, good quality tools that do just what they're supposed to do, are of little or no interest to collectors, and appearances are unimportant. I also want GREAT DEALS! (but don't we all . . .) In all cases, I will tune & sharpen my own, so if they're sharp, that's fine, and if not, I'll handle it. I need several sizes of backsaw. Tell me what you have and why I should want it. I want a medium froe and a smallish froe (if there is such a thing).Handles Optional. I need a nice eggbeater drill for my little bits. Thanks! Happy FMM David Sutton Suttons@e... ++++ End of thread 18880 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18881 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42690 (thread 18881) ---- From: David Sutton Date: 1998-05-04 17:34:00 Subject: FS: Stanley Block Plane Stanley#118 low angle block plane. It's sharp, and no matter what they say, it does a fine job on end grain. $25 + $4.00 shipping David Sutton Suttons@e... ++++ End of thread 18881 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18882 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42691 (thread 18882) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 19:53:00 Subject: FS / WTB for May, 98 - Infill smoother, scraper and more... This is a second attempt to post my list. Sorry if it appears more than once. Standard Oldtools Terms apply (You want, I ship, you like, you pay + shipping. If you don't like, you return at your expense). I usually ship USPS Priority mail, please let me know if you prefer another method. 1. Infill Smoother - Mathiesen #843 (I believe), best quality open handled rosewood infill smoother. Overall 9 " long by 2 3/8 " wide with a 2 1/4" Marples iron(about 2" of life left). Mouth is tight, set for a light cut it is between 1/64 and 1/32 by my measurement. Tip of tote is missing and has been very nicely rounded over by a previous owner. Looks to have been done intentionaly. Owners stamps are lightly stamped into rosewood sides. The front bun/knob does have a very tight hairline age crack, that will not affect use. Price - $295 + shipping. 2. Sorby Chisels - Set of 5 , 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" 3/4" and 1' New, never sharpened. Boxwood, octagonal handles, with tip protectors and vinyl sleeves. New from Garrett Wade $124+. Price - $70 + shipping 3. Starrett #13 Double Square - 4" double square in pristine condition. Blade is shiney and crisp. Hardly if ever used. Price - $42 + shipping 4. Side bead plane, boxed, 1/2" - nice plane, unfortunately someone sanded off makers mark. Very nice user Price - $9 + shipping. 5. Millers Falls #1 spoke shave - nice rosewood handles, but iron and body are pitted. With some work the iron can be made usable or order a new exact replacememt from Kelly Tools for $12.95ppd. This is a good user and is priced according to condition. Price - $22 + shipping 6. Stanley #82 Scraper - type 1, no blade. Good user condition. Price - $14 + shipping 7. Stanley #81 Cabinet Scraper - nickel plated, rosewood bottom. Nickel plating is about 80% +. Rosewood bottom is original and of original thickness, 1/4". Original blade has about 1" of life left. No rust or pitting at all, nice overall condition and an excellent user. Price - $85 + shipping WTB - I am looking for an iron, cap iron and lever cap for a Stanley #32, 26", Transitional. It's a type 14, both I'm not too particular. It takes a 2 5/8" iron. Got any that haven't been toasted??? ++++ End of thread 18882 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18883 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42692 (thread 18883) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-04 19:54:00 Subject: FS - 4/4 rough Birch. This is a second attempt to post my list. Sorry if it appears more than once. Sorry for the second FS post, but I forgot to mention for Galoots in the NH, MA area (others that like to drive) I have some 4/4 rough Birch for sale. It's been air dried for over 18 months and it is now in my shed. It ranges in width from about 4 to 7 inches (there may be a few 8") and about 8 feet long. It's all native NH species mixed between white, black and yellow birch, but mostly yellow. I have about 300 bf to sell. Price - $.50/bf or if you want it all we could talk. Located in Sandown, NH which is about 15 mile southeast of Manchester. Thanks, Steve ++++ End of thread 18883 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18884 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42693 (thread 18884) ---- From: Bill Brady Date: 1998-05-04 23:18:00 Subject: L-N 112 & New WA catalog arrived - WOW! My L-N 112 came bright and early this AM. The Iron needed only a small amount of lapping to flatten. Turned a burr, and wow, what a tool! Easily the finest shavings I've made. Also, in the mail, was the Spring 1998 catalog from William Alden. It too blew me away! It is greatly expanded and has more new-old tools then I've seen in one place before, and at fantastic prices. It has everything from a Harris panel plane for $1350.00 down to tiny infill thumb planes. Stanley, including *individual* cutters for the new plow and combination planes ("easily modified for old 45's & 55's!") parts for (sizes 3 to 10 1/2) bench planes, and the Stanley Goldenberg wooden planes. Also Primus, Rali, Record and Clifton. I guess the only line they don't have is Kuntz [& L-N]. Braces, eggbeaters including a Stanley 2 speed breast drill with Jacobs chuck, yankees. A great selection of edge tools. They have a hardware line, expanded books (many galoot titles, including "The Handplane Book - Garrett Hack" for $24.99). I already like WA because of the speed with which they make delivery and the low prices, now I love 'em! These guys are making a serious bid to become my main galoot store. A bit of a gloat, also recieved a brand new but many years old, set of 13 auger bits. I got 'em for about a quarter of what new Irwins would cost. It'll be so nice to hone an auger bit that hasn't been screwed up. I know foregoing sounds like a shill for WA, but I am retired and not associated with anybody. And it is FMM. Check 'em out galoot! Wm. "Bill" Brady, Harwood MD - Here's hoping that you stay on a happy plane. ++++ End of thread 18884 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18885 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42694 (thread 18885) ---- From: J. Gunterman Date: 1998-05-04 23:16:00 Subject: WTB.. User Grade Type 11's Dudes & Dudettes' Having finally settled on what type of plane I like best as _users_ I'm lookng to cull some planes from my stable and replace them with Type 11 Planes... For the un-initiated they would be indetified by having 3 Patent Dates on the bed behind the frog, have a frog adjusting screw and have a LOW knob.... Jappaning and light rust not important but a sole free of pitting is a must. Corregated soles need NOT apply. ====================================================== also looking for a #271 Router plane, vintage aint no nevermind ====================================================== John, Will consider trading my current <_very_well_tuned_> users of equal model in trade for your type 11's But I aint no steenking collector, nope ;-) ++++ End of thread 18885 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18886 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42695 (thread 18886) ---- From: DNRSchwartz Date: 1998-05-04 19:25:00 Subject: WTB 2 Oooops. Almost forgot. I'm also looking for a user broad hatchet. I almost got one form Tony Seo, but he was asking a lot because of the collector value as it had 'PEXTO' cast in the side. Chris N. Schwartz, Feral Brewer... Give a man a beer, and he wastes an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he wastes a lifetime. http://mav.net/darc/prbc/ ++++ End of thread 18886 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18887 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42696 (thread 18887) ---- From: Larry Poffenberger Date: 1998-05-05 01:06:00 Subject: FS from the old rustytool Hi Y'all, After staying up late last night updating my inventory, I forgot to mail it out, so I'm running late. Anyway, here it is and, as usual, it is also at my home page. If you can't find something you need there, you just ain't a serious coll..., uh, user! Regards, Larry ITEMS ARE SORTED DESCENDING BY ITEM NUMBER WHICH WILL (USUALLY) LIST NEW ITEMS FIRST 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 1 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 99999 CONDITION VARIES PRICE: $0.01 AUGER BITS, VARIOUS VARIOUS MAKERS,SIZES & CONDITION, EMAIL WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR $5-10 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 99999 CONDITION VARIES PRICE: $0.01 DRAW KNIVES, VARIOUS VARIOUS MAKERS & CONDITION, EMAIL WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR $ 10-20 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 99999 CONDITION VARIES PRICE: $0.01 45 & 55 COMBINATION PLANE BLADES VARIOUS NUMBERS AVAIL. EMAIL #'S NEEDED, $7-$30 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1377 CONDITION GOOD ++ PRICE: $65.00 MILLERS FALLS JOINTER GAUGE AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE STANLEY 386, 75% JAPANNING, NI CE TOOL **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1376 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $135.00 #8C TYPE 17 95% JAPANNING, GREAT ROSEWOOD, SOME PITTING OF LEVER CAP NIC KEL, OVER 2" USABLE BLADE, VERY LIGHT PITTING FEW SMALL AREA **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1375 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $60.00 #3C TYPE 14 OWNER'S INIT. CARVED IN TOP OF HANDLE-FINISH POOR, OVER 1" U SABLE SWTM BLADE, GREAT USER, 90% JAPANNING **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1366 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $50.00 #4 TYPE 19 ROSEWOOD COMPLETE, NICKS ON NICKEL OF LEVER CAP BUT INTACT, 2" USABLE BLADE LEFT, 95% JAPANNING **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1365 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $100.00 #40 NEAR FULL VTM BLADE, 80% JAPANNING, GOOD WOOD, PART OF DECAL REMAINS **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1356 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $35.00 #80M A "MUST HAVE" ITEM: USA BLUE, OVER 1" USABLE BLADE LEFT, VER Y LIGHT PITTING, EASY REMOVAL, "UNBREAKABLE" **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1355 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $35.00 #80M A "MUST HAVE" ITEM: USA BLACK, OVER 1" USABLE BLADE LEFT, VE RY LIGHT PITTING, EASY REMOVAL, "UNBREAKABLE" 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 2 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1353 CONDITION *GOOD- PRICE: $50.00 #3C TYPE 9 NEEDS CLEANING & TLC, OVER 1" USABLE BLADE LEFT **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1348 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $175.00 #10 RABBET (REBATE) PLANE (ENGLISH) OVER 1/2" USABLE BLADE LEFT,TOOLBOX DINGS IN HARDWOOD, GREAT USER **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1344 CONDITION PRICE: $35.00 FOOT ADZE HANDLE APPEARS ORIGINAL, SOME PITTING ON HEAD **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1343 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $45.00 LARGE LIGNUM VITAE MALLET 4" CONE SHAPED HEAD **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1335 CONDITION *GOOD PRICE: $100.00 #8C TYPE 11 3/8" HANGING HOLE IN REAR, 80% JAPANNING, OVER 2" USABLE LAT E MODEL BLADE LEFT, HARDWOOD HANDLE, GREAT PLANE FOR NEW NEA **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1329 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $70.00 #6 TYPE 19 BLADE HONED ONCE, 85% JAPANNING, WOOD COMPLETE, VERY NICE PL ANE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1326 CONDITION GOOD- PRICE: $75.00 605C TYPE 6A SMALL CRACK IN BASE, TIP OFF TOTE, 3/4" USABLE LATE MODEL BL ADE LEFT, 80% JAPANNING, CHIP OFF REAR **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1321 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $17.00 DRAW KNIFE 1/2" USABLE BLADE LEFT, MAKER UNKNOWN, NICE TAPERED HANDLES WITH NO CAPS ON ENDS **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1315 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $45.00 #80M BLACK USA MADE SCRAPER EXTRA THICK BLADE (NOT ORIGINAL) **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1311 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $80.00 #604C TYPE 5/6 3/8 " CHIP IN THROAT (STILL GOOD USER), IMPROPER LEVER CAP, 85% JAPANING, BEAUTIFUL INTACT ROSEWOOD, 1 1/4" USABLE SWTM **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1310 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $60.00 #4 TYPE 8/9 95% JAPANING, BEAUTIFUL INTACT ROSEWOOD, 1 1/2" USABLE Q BLA DE 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 3 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1300 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $75.00 #6C TYPE 13 VERY NICE INTACT ROSEWOOD WITH USUAL TOOL BOX DINGS, 1 1/4" LEFT ON VICTORY BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1286 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $110.00 #7C TYPE 11 VERY NICE PLANE, COMPLETELY PROPER, OVER 2" USABLE VTM BLADE LEFT, ROSEWOOD HANDLE & KNOB INTACT **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1278 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $100.00 #20 VICTOR CIRCULAR PLANE BRAZED, 50% JAPANNING, 1 3/4" USABLE SWTM BLADE, GOOD USER **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1277 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $105.00 #5 1/2C TYPE 11 I WANTED TO KEEP THIS ONE TOO. NICE PATINA, NEAR PERFECT RO SEWOOD, VERY NICELY REPAINTED, 1 1/2" USABLE TYPE Q BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1276 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $130.00 8C TYPE 11 I ALMOST KEPT THIS ONE, VERY NICE PATINA, 1 3/4" TTM BLADE L EFT, ROSEWOOD INTACT, PROPER HANDLE REPAIR **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1275 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $80.00 6C TYPE 11 ROSEWOOD COMPLETE, 60% JAPANING, 3/4" USABLE VTM **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1273 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $130.00 605C OLD TYPE - 4 TIP OFF TOTE, 40% JAPANING, 1" USABLE VTM BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1270 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $130.00 #8 TYPE 16 OWNERS MARK ON LEVER CAP AND HANDLE, OTHERWISE PERFECT ROSEW OOD, 1 3/4" USABLE BLADE, JAPANING 95% **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1268 CONDITION *GOOD - PRICE: $30.00 #4 C TYPE 7? REPL. HARDWOOD HANDLE, CHIPPED LEVER CAP, 1 1/4" USABLE VTM BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1267 CONDITION GOOD ++ PRICE: $50.00 #5C TYPE 16 ROSEWOOD COMPLETE, NEEDS FINISH, JAPANING95%, 1/4" HOLE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1266 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $45.00 #3 TYPE 7 NEEDS SOME TLC, ROSE WOOD COMPLETE, NEEDS REFINISH, 1 1/2" O N TYPE BB BLADE 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 4 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1265 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $45.00 #4 TYPE 16 ROSEWOOD COMPLETE, NEEDS REFINISH, 90%JAPANING **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1250 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $75.00 #81 SCRAPER 30% NICKEL, SCREW MISSING, VERY SHORT BLADE, GOOD USER-NEEDS NEW ROSEWOOD BOTTOM **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1249 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $95.00 #605 NT TYPE 8 TIP OFF TOTE O/W VERY NICE ROSEWOOD, 1/4" HANGING HOLE, 1 1/ 2" USABLE SWTM BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1241 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $15.00 MILLERS FALLS BRACE 323? 40% NICKEL, WOOD INTACT **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1240 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $15.00 BARKER BRACE HEX "NUT" RATCHET, HANDLE PAINTED **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1237 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $55.00 #3 TYPE 11 HANDLE REPAIRED, 1 3/4" VTM BLADE LEFT, HANDLE REPAIRED **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1236 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $45.00 #3 TYPE 11 DIRTY, LIGHT PITTING, 1 3/4" SWTM BLADE LEFT, TIP OFF TOTE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1235 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $70.00 #3C TYPE 19 100% JAPANNING, ROSEWOOD NEAR PERFECT, SIDES TARNISHED **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1222 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $70.00 #48 20% NICKEL, WRONG BLADES? **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1219 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $120.00 #605C TYPE 6 DIRTY, HEAVY PATINA (BLACK RUST), PAINTED, WOOD OK-FINISH GO NE, 1" USABLE BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1218 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $100.00 #8 TYPE 8 SHORT BLADE, 50% JAPANNING" , TIP OFF TOTE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1209 CONDITION *GOOD- PRICE: $35.00 #4 TYPE 13 LIGHT PITTING 2" SQUARE ON BOTTOM, PROPER HANDLE REPAIR, O/W GOOD ROSEWOOD, 3/4" USABLE SWTM BLADE 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 5 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1208 CONDITION GOOD+ PRICE: $90.00 #7C TYPE 9 REPAINTED, REVARNISHED, SOME PITTING ON BLADE TYPE Q BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1196 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $60.00 #3C TYPE 10 NICE INTACT ROSEWOOD, 1" USABLE TYPE T BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1193 CONDITION FINE PRICE: $65.00 #3 TYPE 11? 3 PATENT DATES BEAUTIFUL ROSEWOOD, 1" USABLE TYPE X BLADE HAS VERY LIGHT PI TTING ON TOP 1/2 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1191 CONDITION *FAIR PRICE: $35.00 #3 TYPE 5 TOP OF FROG REPAIRED, SOME PITTING, REPAIRED HANDLE, QUITE U SABLE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1187 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $20.00 #49 AUGER BIT GAUGE VERY LIGHT RUST ON BOLTS OTHERWISE FINE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1178 CONDITION *GOOD PRICE: $15.00 120 BLOCK PLANE, STANLEY BLADE GOOD PLANE FOR CHILD OR SPOUSE OR ROUGH JOBS, NEEDS CLEANING **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1177 CONDITION *GOOD PRICE: $10.00 "220" TYPE BLOCK PLANE-UNMARKED GOOD PLANE FOR CHILD OR SPOUSE OR ROUGH JOBS, NEEDS CLEANING **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1174 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $450.00 55 IN CRAFTSMAN MADE BOX EMAIL FOR MORE INFO **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1171 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $85.00 5 1/2C TYPE 12 NICELY REPAINTED, BEAUTIFUL ROSEWOOD, 2" USABLE ON TYPE AA S WTM BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1170 CONDITION *GOOD - PRICE: $50.00 5 1/2 TYPE 11 JAPANNING GONE, 2" USABLE VTM BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1160 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $60.00 #4 C TYPE 9 80 % JAPANNING, GOOD ROSEWOOD, 2" USABLE ON TYPE 6A BLADE WI TH NO PATENT DATE(?) 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 6 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1151 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $60.00 #5C TYPE 9 REPAINTED & RESTORED, TOTE PROPERLY REPAIRED, 2" USABLE SWTM BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1150 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $10.00 220 BLOCK PLANE MISSING KNOB OTHERWISE FINE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1147 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $190.00 45 W/2 BOXES (19) BLADES 60% NICKEL, BLADES FINE (BOXES GOOD), MISSING SLITTER **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1140 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $40.00 #190 MISSING DEPTH STOP **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1139 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $90.00 5 1/4 . **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1125 CONDITION FINE- PRICE: $80.00 #50 NICELY PAINTED, ONLY ONE BLADE (1/4") **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1104 CONDITION FINE - PRICE: $20.00 #220 STANLEY . **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1063 CONDITION GOOD- PRICE: $14.00 KK MEAT GRINDER . **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 1021 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $75.00 #203 STANLEY 50% JAPANNING LEFT, BEST BLOCK PLANE i'VE EVER USED **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 956 CONDITION PRICE: $50.00 #65 . **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 900 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $50.00 JOINTER GAUGE SIMILAR TO MILLERS FALLS #38 60% JAPANNING, EXCELLENT USER, EXACTLY LIKE MF, BUT NO KNOB **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 898 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $80.00 #5 1/2 TYPE 8 OLD REPAINT, GREAT USER 5/4/98 6:50 PM Page 7 of 7 **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 897 CONDITION GOOD - PRICE: $60.00 #5 1/2 TYPE 13 SWTM RUSTY, BOTTOM OF KNOB CHIPPED, HANDLE PROPER REPAIR, 2" USA BLE SWTM BLADE LEFT, 20% JAPANINGLEFT **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 896 CONDITION GOOD + PRICE: $90.00 #5 1/2C TYPE 11 NICE ROSEWOOD, HANDLE REPAIRED, 1 1/2" USABLE TYPE T BLADE, OLD REPAINT **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 894 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $90.00 #5 1/2C TYPE 11 90% JAPANNING, DIRTY, PAINT SPLATTER ON TOTE O/W NICE ROSEWO OD, SHORT BLADE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 887 CONDITION FAIR - PRICE: $75.00 #10 REPAIRED SWTM REPAIRED, HANDLE CHIPPED, USABLE OR USE FOR PARTS **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 880 CONDITION GOOD- PRICE: $30.00 #78 NO FENCE, NO DEPTH STOP **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 878 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $50.00 #4C TYPE 11 3/4" USABLE SWTM BLADE, 50'S ROSEWOOD HANDLE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 868 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $100.00 #7C TYPE 8 DIRTY, VERY LIGHT RUST **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 865 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $60.00 #6 T10/11 BLADE USED UP, TIP OFF TOTE **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 656 CONDITION FINE + PRICE: $600.00 #55 UNIV. COMB. PLANE INQUIRIES WELCOME, MORE DETAIL ON REQUEST **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 636 CONDITION GOOD- PRICE: $60.00 #5 1/4 JACK PLANE 90% JAPANN, HANGING HOLE,SOME LEVER CAP RUST **************************************************************************** ********** INVENTORY NUMBER 460 CONDITION GOOD PRICE: $50.00 #4 STANLEY TYPE 17 WAR MODEL EMAIL: LKP@R... HOME PAGE: HTTP://WWW.RUSTYTOOL.CNCHOST.COM Shortcut to my Links: http://www.rustytool.cnchost.com/index.shtml#rustytools_links ++++ End of thread 18887 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18888 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42697 (thread 18888) ---- From: WLGhio Date: 1998-05-04 21:16:00 Subject: WTB - Howland or Auburn Hollow Looking for an A. Howland #10 hollow. In lieu I will take an Auburn #10. Either should be marked as #180 and #10 on the heel and will be the 3/4" size. Bill Ghio bghio@t... wlghio@a... ++++ End of thread 18888 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18889 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42699 (thread 18889) ---- From: Ron Harper Date: 1998-05-05 01:52:00 Subject: BEDROCK Query for Larry & Patrick Was in Centerville MI this weekend ,where I scored a crispy 605 1/2 C It is 1/4 in narrower in the sole than my 5 1/2 C. Howcome ? I thought that the bedrock was a jazzed up version of the regular line Ron Apprentice Galoot, FOYBIPO, Supporter of the Greenwood Furniture Project ---- Start of Message 42859 (thread 18889) ---- From: James Foster Date: 1998-05-07 20:12:00 Subject: Re: BEDROCK Query for Larry & Patrick Ron Harper wrote: > > Was in Centerville MI this weekend ,where I scored a crispy 605 1/2 C > > It is 1/4 in narrower in the sole than my 5 1/2 C. Howcome ? > > I thought that the bedrock was a jazzed up version of the regular line > This one must have gotten answered, but I don't remember seeing it go by. In case it didn't: The answer is that early 5 1/2's (up to 1939, including my beloved type 11 B^)) used a 2 1/4" wide blade which was unique to this model. After that they went to a 2 3/8" blade. The 605 1/2 was only made until 1935, and so would always have the narrower blade. Your 5 1/2C must be a newer type than this. BTW, Ron Hock can make up the narrower blades if you need them, but (and I don't want to speak for Ron here, but am just going by what I remember when I bought my 2 1/4" blade from him) I don't believe they are a stock item. ++++ End of thread 18889 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18890 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42700 (thread 18890) ---- From: Bruce Mosher Date: 1998-05-05 02:00:00 Subject: John Wilson's Green Bench Booklet John Wilson (of Shaker Box fame) is so Galootish he doesn't even have a computer, so he ask me to post this to the group (actually, I saw what he had & ask if I couldn't post it, as I think some of you will like it). He has developed a workbench made with green materials. He's built a number of them in the development process (has two finished units for sale $800, write for description), and designed a concept that allows you to use the bench from day 1 (two if you work slow) & lets the wood to move as it dries down to finish equilibrium. He's offering classes at his "Home Shop" in Charlotte MI, and has also self published a manual of how to build your own. The manual has color photo's & is written to walk you right through the process. You can order a booklet (I think it's $15), or request a class schedule by writing John at: The Home Shop 500 Broadway Charlotte, MI 48813 If you like the idea, but don't have green stock, Woodmiser will refer you to local Woodmiser owners. Woodmiser's referral number is @ 800 553-0183. Green wood should cost you .40 to .80 for 'log run' material. Cheers - Bruce Mosher ++++ End of thread 18890 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18891 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42701 (thread 18891) ---- From: Blakley Bill Date: 1998-05-05 04:53:00 Subject: FS: PLANES AND BRIC-A-BRAC > Two apologies this month ...1) I have not been able to rummage > through the stash to add goodies to the list ... not enough time > maybe I should cut down on the sleep and 2) I am in class this > week so I can only reply to inquiries in the evenings ... I will get > back to you ... be patient. > > Terms are Standard Old Tools terms. > > Wanted to Buy (or trade): > > Millers Falls wood scrapers Nos 35, 41, 53, 55 (with the > three interchangable blades if possible... just thought > I would ask), and 296 in good condition > > Original Millers Falls literature, any catalogs > except Nos 39, 40, 42, and 49 > > Original Lufkin catalog No 12 > > For Sale: > > If you are interested in an item/items send me a private > email with any questions you may have. I will do my best > to answer your questions. If you still like the item(s), I will > send them to you preceded by an email with the > particulars. Upon receipt if you still like the item(s) send > me a check for the price plus shipping. If you do not like > the item(s) ship them back to me. > > Thanks, Bill Blakley. > > All prices are in US dollars. > > PLANES: > > FS010: American Boy block plane ($15.00), 6 1/2" long, hole in > middle of upper part of iron - not sure if this is correct - > may be > part of blade locking mechanism, hairline crack in front > knob, > jappanning 80%+ > > FS020: Craftsman corrugated Jack 14" long ($30.00) with brass plate > inserted in lever cap with Crapsman logo, nice shape with > partial decal on nose, corrugated, jappanning 95%+ > > FS030: Keen Kutter block plane K220 ($30.00) jappanning > touched up otherwise excellent with nice logo on blade, > non adjustable mouth > > FS040: Millers Falls No 9 - type 6 ($40.00), small chip in rear > tip of > tote, clean, complete, and correct > > FS050: Millers Falls No 14 jack plane- type 4 ($35.00), most > nickel > on lever cap gone, light patches of scale on casting, > otherwise tight , clean, and complete > > FS060: Sargent 409 smoother ($30.00), front knob nicked and > chipped, jappanning < 20% - nearly nonexistant, rear > tote cracked but clean break, clean casting > > FS070: Stanley No 5 (Type 11 - $15.00) - V logo on > blade, cleanly broken tote, lever cap has small chip, > some pitting on casting, 3/4" of blade remaining - in > short a user > > FS080: Stanley No 7 (Type 10 - $45.00) - proper size > Victory iron - 2" of blade remaining, cracked handle ... > will repair ok, jappanning 80%, owners initial in side > > FS090: Stanley No 18 (probably type 10 - $25.00) - > knuckle joint lever cap (old style) - most nickel gone, > brass knob somewhat banged up, Stanley Rule and > Level in arch on iron, owners initials in side > > FS100: Stanley No 45 type 14 ($40.00) it is missing > the beading stop (part number 73), no cam, long arms, or > cutters other than the 3/4" mounted cutter, nickel 50% > > FS110: Stanley No 48(t and g/not a type 1)/Union No 41 > combo (Stanley 48 equivalent) ($60.00), Stanley plane > missing one blade and one thumbscrew, Union missing > one blade with one poorly ground replacement blade, > missing front knob and screw > > FS120: Stanley No 90 bullnose rabbit ($85.00), SweetHart iron, > 50% nickel, low Sweethart iron > > FS130: Stanley Handyman H104 ($45.00) - large chip out > of front of tote where it meets body of plane, otherwise > little used as is typical of these planes, complete with > original store price tag, 'retail price 4.65 our price > 3.97' ... > not mine. Everybody needs one ... > > FS140: Thos McBurnie (owners mark) carvers rabbit - no maker in > evidence($25.00), own this small wood plane, 4 1/16" x 3/4", > heart shaped cutout for shavings, interesting > > > MISCELLANEOUS: > > FS510: Ax, Millers Falls($15.00), hard rubber handle, small split > near > top of handle 14" long > > FS520: Ax, Shapleighs($25.00), hewing ax, 17" long, old replacement > > handle, says " hammer forged" on head > > FS530: Ax, Keen Kutter($25.00), poll head with long replacement > handle, > 28 1/2" long, fuzzy makers imprint, head painted flat black > > FS540: Caulking iron mallet head($20), oak with steel bands, > no handle with two caulking irons, one is 2 1/4" wide in > arc, > nicely shaped, no name > > FS550: Pistol grip drill, Dunlap($10.00) with red gear case > > FS560: Saw Set, Keen Kutter ($25.00) plating 60% nice logo > with Keen Kutter spelled out on inside of handle, tpi > range > not known > > FS570: Spokeshave, Stanley No 68 ($85.00), excellent shape > > FS580: Wrench, Westcott No 76 ($10.00), Keystone Mfg Co 6" long, > adjustable s type wrench > > FS590: Stanley No 100 picture framing miter box($150.00 ), missing > ruler, nice looking replacement aluminum vise handles , 70% > blue paint, correct Stanley/Diston/Porter marked saw, saw nuts > rusty, stress cracks around saw nuts on both sides where > overtightened > > FS600: Stanley No 400 picture framing vise ($50.00 ), I was going > to use > the handles off of this to replace the handles on the No 100 > above but > never did, 70% blue paint remaining > > FS610: Kraeuter wrench ($5.00 ), double open ended 1" x 7/8" > > FS620: K.G. Lang + Co. Sheffield glass working pliars ($5.00 ), > tack puller > on one handle and glass tapping ball on other, some chipping at > glass > gripping end > > FS630: Rigid offset pipe wrench ($5.00 ), rusty and yellow 7 1/2" > long > > FS640: Billings adjustable wrench($10.00 ), steel handle, pitting > around the > head, mouth good, 10" long > > Thanks for looking. I hope you find something you like here or > elsewhere ... > ================================================================= > ++++ End of thread 18891 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18892 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42702 (thread 18892) ---- From: J. Gunterman Date: 1998-05-05 02:17:00 Subject: FF: Trees Well Sorta FF (For Free ;-) You see I got a few acres over in Jacksonville, VT. About 10 years ago we cleared an acres and it was a nice camping-site. it has since overgrown a bit ;-0 Anyway there are LOTS of trees on the property just standing there. so In the few reaming wfree weekends this summer I want to get up there and clear the camp-site again and harvest me some wood. I was figuring anybody that wanted to drive up w/ a chainsaw is welcome to cut any tree they want under one condition all the bits you dont want get piled semi-neatly where you drop it for folks w/ Family Units there are lots of nice things to do in the area.... Thre is a place called North River Winery.. an apple orchard that produces award winning apple wines. they offer a free tour of the operation and samples at the end.. On the other side of the Mointain is the e beautifull Sadawga Lake... swimmin etc. w/ pic-nick/cook-out sites, free boat launch, 3 more miles down the road is the charming town if Whitingham VTthere are "improved" Campsites in the area, many B&B's and of course free _rustic_ camping on the property.... So if you are looking for a nice weekend get-away..... Or got a double bit axe, misery whip, or husquarvanah, that is needing to taste some fresh wood , (how many of you actually ever felled a tree?-) cut down an entire tree for one Burl (yeah there are some out there but you gotta find them;-) Or just looking for weekend in the woods.... Drop me a line Jacksonville VT is just across the MA border in Southern Vermont. got to http://www.mapquest.com and search for Jacksonville, VT John, basicly looking for an excuse to spend some time on my long neglected property ..... and drink Hard Cider around the campfire ++++ End of thread 18892 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18893 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42703 (thread 18893) ---- From: Dave Hucaby Date: 1998-05-05 02:46:00 Subject: FS It's time to upgrade a few things. Out with the old, in with the new/old. Oldtools terms apply. Dave Hucaby dave@i... Lexington, KY Spokeshave specials: 001 Stanley 151M spokeshave w/ two adjusting nuts; in near new condition; made of maleable iron; lots of SW blade left, but I'll throw in a new replacement blade too $45 002 Stanley #67 Universal spokeshave with all of its parts convex sole, flat sole, and the rabbeting fence; nickel plating 90%; sweetheart cutter; right handle is ever so slightly loose, but won't come off. $125 003 Preston ornate spokeshave w/ open loop handles, single adjustment knob, and lateral adjustment (similar in style to the #1391). Not much japanning left, but that's a good thing in my opinion, as the fancy casting details show off better. Plenty of iron left. $55 004 Stanley #97 wheeled marking gauge; 80% nickel; marking wheel is a tad loose $15 005 Clark's Expansive Bit for bit braces - good condition with 2-3" cutter only. $20 006 Witherby 7/8" socketed bevel edge chisel w/ replacement handle; 3 3/4" usable blade left $20 007 Witherby 3/8" socketed bevel edge chisel w/ replacement handle; 4 1/2" usable blade left $20 008 No name 7/8" socketed bevel edge chisel w/ no handle 5 1/2" usable blade left $15 And now for something new... 009 Freud 12" 15tpi tenon saw (bought before my conversion) closed handle & brass back; used a few times $30 010 Garlick & Son 8" 14tpi turned handle gent's saw; never used & logo is still present! $10 011 Stanley #65 marking gauge (new model) $10 ++++ End of thread 18893 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18894 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42704 (thread 18894) ---- From: Bruce Mosher Date: 1998-05-05 03:08:00 Subject: FS veneer (Repost?) I apologize, but I don't see my post of several hours ago,.. so just want to say that I still have LOTS of veneer for sale at 'right' prices. Write for details. Happy FMM -Bruce ++++ End of thread 18894 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18895 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42705 (thread 18895) ---- From: alan ferrency Date: 1998-05-05 03:26:00 Subject: FS trade my #4 for your #3 The only offer this month: I'd like to trade my user Stanley #4 for someone else's user Stanley (or comparable quality) #3. This #4 looks like approximately type 16 to me: no patent dates, high hardwood knob, steel depth adjuster, and no frog adjustment screw (and no place to put one). No cracks or structural damage. There's some japanning left, but not a lot. The plane was overcleaned, and definitely lacks collector value, but it'll make a great user. As far as irons go, you get your choice of either a heavily pitted stanley iron (currently sharpened with a slight back bevel so it makes a clean cut), or an old Craftsman iron in as-found condition (complete with some rust and an inexplicable mushroomed top). What I'm looking for in a #3 (I'm lenient, give me an offer): Any type. No missing parts, but replacements that fit correctly are fine. No cracks or structural damage. Rust is fine as long as it doesn't make the plane unusable. If it's not Stanley, it should have a relatively fine mouth instead of those Defiance, etc. planes which have 1/2" mouths. (I'd think MF or Record would be fine alternatives but I don't have much experience with those brands.) Terms: Ask questions first. We both ship at the same time and satisfaction is 100% guaranteed because our expectations are very low (and because it's not worth shipping these planes twice, let alone once). We each pay for our own shipping, the cheapest possible. Thanks for your interest! Alan ++++ End of thread 18895 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18896 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42706 (thread 18896) ---- From: Dave Harris Date: 1998-05-05 03:14:00 Subject: WTB. Marples Paring Chisels I am looking for Marples Paring Chisels. Plain handle with 'Marples, Sheffield, England' logo, brass bolster and overall length of about 13 inches with blade about 8 inches long. Anybody have any of these that they want to sell ? If so, let me know what you have and the asking price. Cheers, Dave Harris MichiGaloot - Stealth #68 ++++ End of thread 18896 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18897 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42707 (thread 18897) ---- From: Lodley Date: 1998-05-04 23:23:00 Subject: FS: Good, Better, Best A very mixed list of things I have elected not to keep, and with some pretty minty items at that. I go with standard terms for list subscribers, which means an item goes to the first person at my screen making an Unequivocal Request. If all right when arrives you Promptly post a check for the amount stated plus exact postage. I will e-mail when item is sent with this information. As usual, I try to give pretty good descriptions, to avoid Q's and A's. I will try to answer any questions as I can, but any such inquiry will yield to an intervening Unequivocal Request. 1. Stanley No. 39 3/8 dado plane. Unused with full finishes everywhere. All parts. Probably later type as no logo on screw. $95. 2. Stanley No. 102 block plane. As found. Early S.W. mark on full length blade. Most japanning inside of body, only about 20% on cap. Some stains on bottom from surface rust. Always a handy user. $16. 3. Stanley 806 Victor Zig-Zag. Has a pat. number. Not a big collectable, but this one is near mint with no apparent use or wear to the bright orange finish. $9. 4. Cheney Nailer. 16 oz. hammer with the ball bearing holder. Used but not abused. Can read name easily, and also can see some of the red-lettered logo on the chamfer just below head and part of stamping on heel. Handle original and wedging absolutely tight. Mechanism perfect. No damage to face and edges rather crisp on whole head. $32. 5. Yankee No. 131A driver. The big one with spring. Exceptional for sure. This is pre-Stanley with 1923 patent date and with all brass barrell. Just gold showing through the patina as it rests in a two-foot long green box with full label (box damaged at rear). Three bits. Minor scuffs only on the solid maroon handle. $35. 6. Yankee No. 555AA breast drill. With Stanley name. This is the beast, like a 1555 but with two-jaw chuck so square tangs will work. Famous 5-way shifter with the amazing Double Right setting. Absolutely the best either one of us has seen, from the shiny maroon handles (one small scratched area on bead of one handle) to the 100% plating on the handle and other parts. The decal is unfortunately about gone but not sure why. $70. 7. Jones Cable Saw. The coping saw with the tube frame for cord to run through. Patented by Mr. Jones in 1898, and says so with lots of other stuff on the frame, including "E.C. Atkins & Co. - Sole Agents." One side of handle roughed up a bit. Most plating on frame. I have never seen one of these actually in operable condition. This is no exception as string is MIA. I have put in a NOS 6" loop end blade (hard to find so go easy), and a sample of cord from one of these saws so you can try to match. Will also give some hints on the string configuration if you choose to try a restoration of that feature. A real conversation piece even if a bad idea. $24. 8. Greaves & Sons drawknife. About 6 1/4 inch blade. English I'm sure. Striking and galootish looking. Full meat, and not beat up on back, but needs some (not heavy) rust clean up. Handles are really beefy bottle shapes with wild grain in wood. Not perfect but the decorative little lines are there. A few chips out around tops and one disc at base (not a big cup, just very small types at pointy end), but the tang seems tight there. Can replace with a little effort but seems a great user anyway, especially in this desirable small size. $16. 9. Stanley No. 51 1/2 hammer. 16 oz. Unused and not a recent model. Has the orange and blue decal (about 90 %) that includes the Atha logo as well as Stanley. Not sure of time, but has to be 50's or before I would think. All original finishes including orange paint in the nice name and notched rectangle stamped in side of head. Shows $1.10 store price in light pencil. Some light rust to clean from polished part of head on one side. $30. 10. Big Plumb Bob. User made brass with steel point weighing in at three pounds. Nice bulbous shape but not fancy -- just holes in top (not a screw cap type) Plenty of character dings and absolutely uncleaned. The steel point is especially big, coming up over an inch, and just about 1 inch in dia. where it joins the brass. $62. 11. The Starrett Book for Student Machinists. 184 pp., 7th ed. 1955. Learn the basics with lots of pictures and tips. Geometry and math sections help. No damage and with clean dustcover. $21. 12. Stanley "Broadline Catalog No. 34" dated 1975 w/ 1977 price list. 8 1/2 x 11 and abt. 100 pp. Full color cover. Still called it a 34, but full of Surforms and plastic. Still interesting, showing differing quality of similar tools (like good and better designations), and shows what was left of interesting things like North Bros. stuff and planes. Did you know that American and English planes were offered at same time, No. 4 and 5 in cordovan were U.S, but 4C and 5C were Made in the Motherland -- Why? Clean with little evidence of consultation. $16. 13. Sargent "Planes - Steel Squares and Other Tools." 8 1/2 x 11 in punched folder with big Sargent Hardware printing on front. Has pages numbered 619-643 perhaps extracted from a big catalog, but this has a distinct front sheet and definitely came in this format. Not dated, but prior to 1947 as Auto-Sets and ladybugs are shown. Great illustrations, especially for combination planes with big pix of all parts. Cutters shown profusely with samples of work profiles. Excellent and clean. $26. 14. Three paper item, the best being a James Leffel Water Wheel (Spfld, O.)1891, 103 page work. 5 x 8. Tight with a little water spotting. Very graphic with lots of history, charts and installation schemes. Also a Jones of Binghampton Scale pamplet 4 1/2 x 7, 24 pp. One corner nibbled off. Humorous history of scales starting with great drawing of Adam and Eve. Testimonials (dated ca. 1880) etc, and finding fault with all historical precedents like Fairbanks scales. Also a heavily illustrated little time book from Finke's Detroit Special Overalls, which would Wear Like a Pig's Nose in early 1900's. Some pencil entries about 1918. $34 the lot. 15. A real gem. Luther "Fire Fly" hand grinder. Like no others, Luthers are visual impact for sure. Spoked open gear cranks another wheel which then speeds up further by driveing an open chain up to the arbor for the 4" grinding wheel. Best I've seen (and seems smaller than others seen but not sure) Every part is there including rest (wraps around with angle rest at side) and another stright guide at lower part of wheel (what for?). Japanning at least 85%, and full black finish on crank handle. $60 for high appearance and play value. 16. Henry Disston & SON No. 7 26" saw. Stamped 11, but clearly filed to 6 point, and a long time ago I would say. Nib OK, 2 1/2 " at toe, 7" breadth at heel. Uniformly black, but minimal pitting. Can easily read etching, and cleaning will help, Son mark on both blade and button. Split nuts a little boogered on back side. Handle has dryness crack through the medallion hole like so many others this age. Horns pretty much complete, no finish. A piece of history from 1870 era after Ham Disston was made a partner. $40. 17. Disston Junior 20" 9 pt. saw of historical interest, and not common for sure. Centennial issue, and etching includes "Century of Progress 1940" info. Has a big eagle spread out over a Henry Disston & Sons ribbon. Blade not real bright and a blotch over Junior, but all very readable. carved handle is without damage but an are of finish is missing at top of grip. A little kinkiness about 9" from toe. Better condition would bring a collector's premium, but this one's still scarce and yours for $30. 18. Showcase Lot: In 1941, Mrs. C ordered two No. 53 Atkins Silver Steel saws from Montgomery Ward. Skew back ship points 26" in length, one an 8 pt. Hand Saw (meaning crosscut) and the other a 5 1/2 pt. Rip Saw. The saws were sent from Kansas City with label and presidential series precancels attached directly to the Atkins cartons. They were probably opened, but never used, and were stored in the cartons until about a month ago. Why was this matched set, so perfectly suited for an apprentice's kit, never so employed? Was it a fiance's gift, then a change in plans? Was it the winds of war? We can speculate, but neither I nor Martin J. Donnelly will ever know. Here they are with the brilliant wavy damaskeening, ribbon back and carved apple Perfection type handles (true, handles were getting blockish by then but way better than postwar stuff). Gotta see em to believe; the only negatives are a very few small points of of early rust blooming, and a few negligible scratches from another saw on the back of one handle. The boxes are rough but complete, with all tabs, and end labels complete but with each torn through from opening I suppose. Insects have nibbled at the mailing labels and stamps some. BTW, even at this late date, Atkins still put its '94 date on blade and Glover's 1887 on the nickeled button. $220 the pair with boxes. But there's more. Am including a mint condition Atkins Catalog No. 22, exactly appropriate 1941 date, 155 pp., with this number saw shown and described right there on p. 111. 19. Still have a 26" Stanley No. 95 brass-bound level. Superior condition with quite a bit of original finish, sharp edges, unpolished. Some dings to mahogany, but good + I reckon. Good original vials. Has 1890's patents on plate. Now just at the edge of Walterland at $52. 20. Stanley No. 79 side rabbet, early type with circular cutout, and strong S.W. marks on each blade. Virtually 100% plating, thumbscrews included. $96. Lloyd Henley ++++ End of thread 18897 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18898 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42708 (thread 18898) ---- From: Ron Harper Date: 1998-05-05 03:26:00 Subject: Fw: BEDROCK Query for Larry & Patrick ---------- > > Was in Centerville MI this weekend ,where I scored a crispy 605 1/2 C > > It is 1/4 in narrower in the sole than my 5 1/2 C. Howcome ? > > I thought that the bedrock was a jazzed up version of the regular line > > Ron > Apprentice Galoot, FOYBIPO, Supporter of the Greenwood Furniture Project ++++ End of thread 18898 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18899 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42709 (thread 18899) ---- From: DEGRAU Date: 1998-05-04 23:30:00 Subject: Thanks, stoned Galoots Just wanted to say thanks to my fellow stoned Galoots, & you know who you are. I'm glad you're pleased, I think things worked out pretty darned good. For those who don't know what I'm talking about, the following is background. Awhile ago I posted an FMM for Arkansas stones. It was actually a result of my buying a #8 from another Galoot and trying to shape the monster blade on a dinky 2" India stone. I had become friendly with a stone cutter ( with his own quarry mind you) out of Hot Springs (Of course) and figured what the heck, why not ask if they can cut 3" wide stones, 1" thick and from 8" to 12" long. He said 'sure, kinda... maybe....I think so' So I pushed him a little, telling him there were others like me who just wanted a set of stones that they didn't have to do a stupid figure 8 on, stones that you could push a wide blade across and just shape the bloody thing square & even. Well, the sonofagun came through. These things are an act of God, blasted out of the ground, shaped by hand, and do they ever work. I have a reputation for being a kind of sharpening nut, and believe me, these things are super. Was it fun? ....yeah, kinda.....did I make any money?...no...But thanks to my Galoot buddies (Very influential people) I was able to convince the cutter to work in longer & wider sizes,, ( You're no joke when you buy as many stones as we did) and we now have a fine working relationship. And that's about as good as life can get for a man trying to build a business. So thank you, my fellow stoned Galoots. I'm glad I was able to do you all a service, and couldn't be more pleased with how it all worked out. Keith >From Joisey, where it's getting too warm to burn mistakes. ---- Start of Message 42724 (thread 18899) ---- From: Bill Brady Date: 1998-05-05 12:45:00 Subject: Re: Thanks, stoned Galoots DEGRAU Wrote: >Just wanted to say thanks to my fellow stoned Galoots, & you know who you >are. >I'm glad you're pleased, I think things worked out pretty darned good. Thank you! The stones are great, and they are *right* for WW . Wm. "Bill" Brady, Harwood MD - Here's hoping that you stay on a happy plane. ++++ End of thread 18899 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18900 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42710 (thread 18900) ---- From: sbmarcus Date: 1998-05-05 04:06:00 Subject: FS: Marcus and Clark Saws Reposting this. Original seems to have falling into the great maw.. No old tools this month. Sold too well in the rain at Crane's to waste your time with a list of what's left. Instead a reminder to consider purchasing a Marcus & Clark traditional saw, proudly referred to as art that works. Images of these tools can be found at:http://www.eastconn.com/marcus/. Or j-peg images can be sent as e-mail attachments. We even ship photos by snail mail. Turning saw- The tool measures 23" long, handle to handle, and is 12 1/4" tall. The exposed length of the blade is 12 3/4". The body is birds-eye maple with cocobolo handles and tensioner, and brass fitments to hold the blade. The uprights are hand-carved with swans-neck finials. The rail is turned in bamboo style. It is supplied with one 1/4" blade, constructed from bandsaw stock, and I would be happy to provide others, of whatever size, for an additional price. The Tool is constructed with a unique joint holding the rail to the uprights, with a mortise and tenon joint seated in a socket with rounded shoulders. It is stained with aniline dye to bring out the figure and finished with three coats of shellac. It is entirely hand-made in my shop, and supplied ready to use, with a waxed twine tourniquet. The price is $200.00, plus shipping, which reflects the difficult and time-consuming nature of the construction. Delivery time should be less than one month from the receipt of order. Bow saw- We also now have available a Bow Saw made in the same manner as and designed like the Turning Saw, but slightly larger. It is 15 1/4" high, 31" long, has a depth of 6 3/4" between the blade and the rail, and takes a 20 3/4" blade. It is $250.00 plus shipping. The difference between these saws in use is that the turning saw is somewhat more useful for cutting out curved work, while the bow saw can be used more easily , due to its longer stroke, as a general- use bench saw. Coping and Fret saws- We also have available coping and fret saws, also based on an example of a saw we once owned. The Coping Saw measures 9 1/2" high, 15" wide and is 5" from blade to rail. The deep-throated Fret saw is 18" high, 15" wide and is 11 1/2" from blade to rail. Both saws are fitted to take standard 6 3/8" pinned coping saw blades, one of which is supplied with each saw. Both are made from strongly figured tiger maple with brass-ferruled, dark cocobolo handles on the fore side and tourniquet rod, and a hand-turned brass fitting on the rear that acts as a take-up screw to further adjust the blade tension beyond the adjustment made by the traditional cord and turned rod. The posts are finished with carved volute finials. The blade-holding shaft is steel. The Coping Saw is $135.00 plus shipping, the Fret Saw is $155.00 plus shipping. Delivery should be less than one month from receipt of order. Additionally available is an adaptable version of either which can be used with coping or jeweler's saw blades. This version is supplied with two different length rails and a blade-holding shaft that has a thumb-screw mechanism to hold the saw blades. The adaptable version of either can be had for an additional $45.00. The advantage of all these saws, in addition to their great beauty, is that it is possible with them to tension the blade much beyond what is possible with a standard metal-frame coping or deep-throat or jeweler's saw, and that it is much easier to turn the blade in the frame than is usual with modern versions. Bruce ++++ End of thread 18900 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18901 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42711 (thread 18901) ---- From: Thomas E. McCluskey Date: 1998-05-05 04:08:00 Subject: WTB:Machinist's tools Dear GGs Looking for the following: gear tooth pitch gauge metric center gauge Manufacturer is not important, must be in good usable condition and reasonably priced. Tom - Member in good standing of the Ancient and Honorable order of Bottomfeeders (AHOB). (By permission) ++++ End of thread 18901 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18902 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42712 (thread 18902) ---- From: Andrew Barss Date: 1998-05-05 04:59:00 Subject: FS: Preston/Auburn-Metallic/Sargent/Stanley Planes And More! Tools for Sale, May 1998. I'm going to give a list of the tools, followed by descriptions and pricing. All these tools are from my personal Stash O' Tools, and I'm parting with them to make way for other stuff. Some items here are uncommon or rare; some are minty, some aren't, dewcriptions will clarify. Terms are Standard Oldtools terms. I'll be happy to send digital photos to serious enquirers. (I am at the end of semester, and probably won;t be able to get to the post office till Friday morning). I. Brief List of What's For Sale Preston Patent Spokeshave Record Side Rabbet Plane Metallic Plane Co, Auburn NY, adjustable-mouth jack plane. Stanley #48 swingin' fence match plane Stanley #72 chamfer plane Stanley #2224 mitre box, with saw, bells, whistles, and original wooden packing crate. Stanley #8 jointer plane Sargent #7-sized (22") jointer plane Stanley #45 combination plane with 9 blades Sargent Autoset 14" jack plane Stanley #29 cornering tool Stanley #98 marking gauge II. More Details, and prices (1) Preston Patent Spokeshave One of the more ornate spokeshaves Preston produced, this is the model 1391, pictured on p. 96 of the Astragal Press Preston catalog reprint. Lots of japanning, nice condition. Only drawback is that the blade (clean & original) is very near the end of the working life, so if this is to be used you'll need a Hock custom especial. $50. (2) Record Side Rabbet Plane This is in as close to NIB condition as any tool I've ever owned. This is a crossed-blade design, a Record adaptation (a very close one) of a Preston design (Record absorbed the planemarking component of Preston in the 1930s, and this plane is clearly one of the reasons why). As far as I can tell, it's never been used; exceedingly light surface rust on the blades will clean up with a sittle steel wool and oil. The varnish on he wooden front knob has crackeled with age. Comes with the original blue box, which has a puncture. An absolutely top-shelf side rabbet plane. $115. (3) Metallic Plane Co, Auburn NY, adjustable-mouth jack plane. You've heard about them (remember the "why are no bench planes made with adjustable mouths?" thread a couple months back), now your chance to own one of the more unusual American metal plane designs. For the PTAMPIA-equipped, this is quite similar to the smoother on p. 174, but with the hooked adjuster mechanism seen on the jointer on p. 171. This specimen isn't perfect, so here's the details: Downsides: a) some chipping at the rear of the mouth b) horn of tote was broken off, and the screwed back on. Upsides: re (a): you weren't gonna use it anyways. re (b): All, and I mean all, of the wood of the tote is there, except for the two cycinders removed by the knucklehead with the screws. A careful person could back out the screws, and repair the holes with plugs (tote is tight- grained beech, and I have a trashed side bead I'll throw in for parts). The tote, damage and all, is the most exceptionally graceful tote I've seen, with a gigantic back sweep to the horn. (c) No rust or pitting; blade is clean, nice patina overall, arched "Metallic Plane Co Auburn NY Patented" on left cheek, strong mark. If you collect jack planes, you gotta have this baby! $125. (4) Stanley #48 swingin' fence match plane. Earlier japanned model with floral handle; brass screws, original blades, nice condition, good japanning. $60. (5) Stanley #72 chamfer plane. Early model, with Stanley Rule & Lever Co. logo on very clean blade. Strong japanning (I'd estimate 90%+), nice patina. Unusual rosewood on tote: quite light, creamy color, with a couple of black streaks widing around; very distinctive and attractive. Nice patina on tool, no rust. $375. (6) Stanley #2224 mitre box, with saw, bells, whistles, and original wooden packing crate. Would be hard to find a nicer one than this: all the parts, down to the original packing crate (a big wooden box with the address of the CT hardware store which sold it) and the paper parts list that came with it. A truly magnificent and precise tool (1993 new price: $500, according to Frog Tool), probably dates from the 1930s. $190. (7) Stanley #8 jointer plane. A definite user, not collector, tool: tote is missing horn, and there are two holes drilled in the left side, for mounting a fence at a 90- degree angle to the sole (a much sneered-at, but user- useful, modification). Low knob, dandy working condition. $75. (8) Sargent #7-sized (22") jointer plane. Maybe I'm just ornery, but I really like the Sargent planes, maybe a bit more than the Stanleys that they are copies of. This one has nice rosewood (including a beaded front knob), very early blade (oval logo), thin casting, and frog type and patent information to indicate a type 2. I electrozapped it, to remove light surface rust on some bits; now has a nice patina. Some japanning missing from the from end of the plane and very tops of cheeks. $105. (9) Stanley #45 combination plane with 9 blades. Another user. If type matters to you, I'll run it through Walter's type study (plane's out in the shop, I'm stuck inside with a cold). Slitter, fence, rods, nicker, all intact and ready to go; top of tote horn gone (doesn't affect use). Some cleaning needed for main body (not much, I'll probably do it anyways), blades nice and clean. $120. (10) Sargent Autoset 14" jack plane. The autoset line of planes was an innovative and unusual design which is unparalleled in plane history! Well, sorta. This one has a very nice tote (either mahogany or tight-grained rosewood, hard to tell), and a slightly mangy front knob (nothing missing, just a little unsmooth). Metal nicely patinaed. Another one for the jack plane collector. $85. (11) Stanley #29 cornering tool. Utterly unmarked, shiny as shinola, and with a SW mark to boot. This is new old stock, which I got from a fellow galoot some months ago -- really looks like you plucked it out of a Stanley delivery jalopy in 1923. $23. (12) Stanley #98 marking gauge. Two armed mortise and marking gauge, wheels on one end, sharp points on the other. This one has a fancy script logo on the head, and a SW mark on one of the adjusting turnscrews. Lotsa nickel, and yours for only $35.95. ++++ End of thread 18902 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18903 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42713 (thread 18903) ---- From: carlwshp Date: 1998-05-04 15:45:00 Subject: WTB Woodies WTB Auburn #180 H&R. #2H&R, #6R, #10 H&R, #12 H, #16R, #18R, #20 H&R, #22 H&R, #24 H. Marten Dosher, New York. Bead Planes. Thanks Carl Murphy Eastport, Maine ++++ End of thread 18903 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18904 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42714 (thread 18904) ---- From: Steven Johnson (MSR) Date: 1998-05-04 15:47:00 Subject: FS: Good Stuff This month I feature many Bedrock planes, interesting levels, and some cool rules on my regular, everyday-including-FMM web site: http://www.tooltimer.com/Tools/tools.htm Everything is satisfaction guaranteed and shipping is included in the continental US. Treadle machines can be found on the Miscellaneous list. Happy hunting! Steve ++++ End of thread 18904 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18905 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42715 (thread 18905) ---- From: Joe Date: 1998-05-04 16:53:00 Subject: WTB WTB or somehow acquire the following, nothing much, just trying to get a few more tools back into shape: 1. cutters, any type, for a #46. 2. an eccentric for a #110 block plane (was zapping it and lost it) 3. Irwin bit - actually any brand as long as it cuts, size 22 (1 1/4) 4. SWMBO - prefer mid to late 60's model, but will accept early 70's. 5. Turning tools, lemme know what you got as far as users go. tks Joe Meyer ++++ End of thread 18905 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18906 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42716 (thread 18906) ---- From: JThomp4432 Date: 1998-05-04 12:54:00 Subject: FS oldtools Greetings, FS - Battery chargers for your electro-zapping set up. These are brand new, still in the box with warranty. They are Solar brand made by Century. 3 amp only - $27.00 10/2 amp - $39.00 10/2/55 amp - $49.00 FS - Millers-Falls #07 (#140 ) Skew mouth block plane with removable side plate. Fine condition $125. FS - Stanley #25 transitional block plane. Type 6 prelateral, eagle trade mark, full wood thickness.G+ $400 FS - Stanley #77 Dowel rod machine 5/8 " cutter only ( not the machine) Type 1 G+ shape $65 I take Visa, M/C, and AMEX if that helps any of you, or can ship Standard oldtools. Thanks, Bob Thompson ++++ End of thread 18906 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18907 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42717 (thread 18907) ---- From: Russ Allen Date: 1998-05-04 19:12:00 Subject: FS: FWW's Galoots: I have the following items for sale: 1) Fine woodworking B&W covers $5 each: 22, 23, 25, 28, 31, 32-, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 46, 47 Color covers $3 each: 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, 92, 93, 94, 95, 97, 98, 107 See the FWW index at http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/roche/rec.wood.misc/fww.index to see what you are missing! Help stamp out the dreaded tool budget! Oldtools terms apply as long as you have a bio on file. Prices do not include shipping. Russ Allen ++++ End of thread 18907 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18908 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42718 (thread 18908) ---- From: Steve Reynolds Date: 1998-05-04 16:16:00 Subject: WTB: #65; and eccentric lever, lever cap screw for #18 or #19 I would like to acquire an eccentric lever for a #19. It would be great to get one stamped with the patent date. This part should be common across the whole #9 1/2 family. Also, I need a lever cap screw for the same plane. It has an improper one now and doesn't perform as well as I would like. This part should be the same for the #18 and #19 knuckle-joint block planes, so please check your parts boxes and planes. It would be just loverly to have a #65 low angle block plane with knuckle-joint cap. My first priority is that it should be inexpensive. I'll take any decent user you have. No japanning? Don't bother me none. No nickel remaining? Still don't bother me. Some pitting that can be lapped out? Heh, Heh you ain't even close to bothering me. Not a Stanley? Come on, your not even trying. But remember, it should be a decent user that doesn't cost too much. Better make it cheap. Yours in bottom-feeding, Steve ++++ End of thread 18908 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18909 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42720 (thread 18909) ---- From: Generations Furniture Date: 1998-05-04 19:22:00 Subject: WTB: Millers Falls GG's Still looking for a user 18C and 22C Millers Falls I can afford, or someone will trade for what I have for sale. Actually, would like to have any MF planes which are corrugated. I do have a couple of 9's and one 14 with smooth bottoms I could trade for corrugated, if there is any interest. Thanks Bruce Z. ++++ End of thread 18909 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18910 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42721 (thread 18910) ---- From: Paul Pedersen Date: 1998-05-05 05:39:00 Subject: FS: Dogmeat Incorporated The tools listed are in flea-market condition, though fully functional. Most haven't been cleaned. Light rust is probable. Oltools standard terms, prices US$ to which will be added shipping. If you aren't satisfied I'll pay return shipping. These tools are being shipped from Montreal so rates may be a bit higher than you're used to (or less, who knows). For example, to ship a bench plane to the United States it's somewhere around 5-10$US. A 37lb package cost 18$US. ================================================================= Stanley No 78 Rebate plane 15$ Non-ornate, with depth adjuster, complete except for depthstop thumbscrew, depth stop is an old replacement. As found, slightly dirty, slightly rusty. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Stanley No 82 Scraper 5$ As found, maybe a bit dirty, in pretty nice shape. Small blade ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Miller's Falls No 5 Eggbeater 5$ Model without springs, beautiful rosewood though somewhat mis-matched. As found, pretty clean, really nice. Handle is empty. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Miller's Falls No 68 Double-ended block plane 15$ Almost new in an almost-ok box. Sole has some streaks probably from the only time it was used. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Stanley No 3 Smoother 15$ Made in Can, circa early type 19 The finish on the tote and knob is rough and partially gone, though it still tooks pretty good. The rest of the plane is really nice. As found. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Stanley No 112 Scraper Plane 15$ No blade, 50%+ japanning, small brass bolt instead of pin between threaded rod and blade holder, threaded rod has been modified but remains functional, pitting on front half of sole, tote refinished with shellac, knob is nice. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Stanley No 45 Combination Plane 20$ Floral nickeled 'S' casting with two patent dates on skate. Missing cutters, long rods, cam, beading stop, slitting cutter (has slitter thumbscrew and depth stop), main depth stop thumbscrew (and I think that's it). I'm in the process of de-seizing the short rods which are holding the main pieces together and sale will depend on my being successful, and on the state of the metal of the short rods and in between the two bodies which are currently stuck together. So far it's going really well and most of the nickel is intact. Wood's good, small chip out of tote, bigger chip out of fence rosewood, knob really nice. Didn't want to wait a month, but this one is only a maybe at this point. ---- Start of Message 42741 (thread 18910) ---- From: Paul Pedersen Date: 1998-05-05 17:39:00 Subject: Re: FS: Dogmeat Incorporated Hey, all you Galoots on and around the porch, Before I'm crushed under the weight of all this email I'm getting I'd like to inform you that the 112, 82, 45, and MF68 that I listed are sold. Thank you very much for your interest. I'll try to get more stuff like this to you in the future. Paul Pedersen Montreal (Quebec) ---- Start of Message 42744 (thread 18910) ---- From: Paul Pedersen Date: 1998-05-05 18:06:00 Subject: Re: FS: Dogmeat Incorporated Hey, all you Galoots on and around the porch, Before I'm crushed under the weight of all this email I'm getting I'd like to inform you that I've been cleaned out and have nothing more to sell at this time. Thank you very much for your interest. I'll try to get more stuff like this to you in the future. Paul Pedersen Montreal (Quebec) ++++ End of thread 18910 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18911 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42725 (thread 18911) ---- From: Dnbyr Date: 1998-05-05 08:11:00 Subject: Re: WTB - Reply To: joeiam@i..., oldtools@l... In a message dated 98-05-05 02:13:30 EDT, joeiam@i... writes: << 4. SWMBO - prefer mid to late 60's model, but will accept early 70's. 5. Turning tools, lemme know what you got as far as users go. >> Joe, I've got a combination of the two above items, SWMBO, mid 60's model (possibly a bit earlier), not much to look at, but a good user. Let me know if you're interested. I'd like to upgrade. ++++ End of thread 18911 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18912 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42726 (thread 18912) ---- From: Larry Williams Date: 1998-05-05 13:28:00 Subject: WTB I'm looking for a universal protractor. Starrett, Brown & Sharp, what ever; this one is for use. Also need 1/16" and 1/8" gimlet and quill bits for a brace. Larry Williams ++++ End of thread 18912 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18913 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42727 (thread 18913) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-05 14:35:00 Subject: Re: OLDTOOLS digest 2959 Bill, I see occassional references to -William Alden-, but never an address, etc. Could you provide me with the address or other info so I can get a copy of the catalog too? Thanks much. Jim Erdman ---- Start of Message 42737 (thread 18913) ---- From: Chris Dunn Date: 1998-05-05 16:42:00 Subject: Re: OLDTOOLS digest 2959 Try: http://www.williamalden.com/ Chris ERDMANJ@U... wrote: > > Bill, > I see occassional references to -William Alden-, > but never an address, etc. Could you provide me with > the address or other info so I can get a copy of the > catalog too? > > Thanks much. > > Jim Erdman ++++ End of thread 18913 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18914 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42728 (thread 18914) ---- From: Bob O Tool Date: 1998-05-05 06:30:00 Subject: FS-tools for sale DON'T KNOW WHY ? THIS DID NOT APPEAR MONDAY? IF ITS A DUPLICATE I APOLOGIZE 1 Bob o Tool Price list Tools for sale STANLEY TOOLS Description Condition Price Comments Smooth Plane # 4 WW2 Fine $45.00 Like New Smooth Plane # 3 Good + $35.00 Type 18 Rabbet Plane #190 Good ++ $50.00 Complete Smooth Plane # 3 Good++ $45.00 Type 18 Smooth Plane #2 Good ++ $195.00 Orange logo on cap Smooth Plane #3 Good++ $ 45.00 Type 16 SW Smooth Plane #3 Good + $ 30.00 Type 19 crkd tote Smooth Plane #3 Good ++ $40.00 Type 16 Smooth Plane #4 Good ++ $40.00 Type 16 Smooth Plane #4 Good + $ 35.00 Type 17 WW2 Pair side rabbets 98&88 Good + $165.00 Early,55% Nickle Smooth PLANE #4 ½ Good ++ $80.00 Clean&nice Fore plane # 5 ½ C FINE $120.00 Pretty,pretty ++ Smooth Plane # 2 Good ++ $175.00 Nice Scraper # 80 Good $20.00 hang hole in cutter Transitional #36 Smooth Good + $ 40.00 Nice Wood Duplex rabbet # 78 Excellent $60.00 Blue, no depth stop Side Rabbet #79 New $52.00 ENG, in box Side Rabbet #79 Good++ $100.00 Type 1 Handyman H1204 Fine $18.00 Like new #4 smooth Jack plane Victor #1105 Good++ $45.00 Clean Handyman H-104 Good + $40.00 Rare, made only 1 yr, 1964 Transitional,fore #29 Good + $ 40.00 Nice plane Smooth Transitional #35 Good + $30.00 full body,tight mouth Smooth Transitional #26 Excellent $30.00 Clean &Crisp Spokeshave #55 Good ++ $55.00 Hollowface Bullnose Plane # 75 Good + $28.00 Nice Transitional #24 Good ++ $45.00 Nice Plane Smooth Plane # 5 Good + $20.00 Good User Block Plane #110 Good ++ $15.00 Nickel cap, w/ label,black Block Plane # 110 Good ++ $15.00 Nickel cap,w/label, blue Scraper Plane # 80 Excellent $35.00 Sweethart mark , Rabbet Plane # 90 Good ++ $90.00 US- SW cutter 85%nickl Rabbet Plane # 90 NEW $ 60.00 new in box,ENG. Rabbet Plane # 92 NEW $ 73.00 new in box,ENG. Smooth Plane # 4 ½ Good ++ $90.00 type 10, lo knob # 271 Router Plane New $29.00 ENG- in box #378 Rabbet & Weatherstrip Good ++ $135.00 Clean & PROPER Jr. Jack # 5 ¼ 1960 FINE $85.00 BLUE, like new Duplex rabbet #78 Good++ $95.00 type 1, complete Duplex rabbet #78 Good ++ $85.00 w/lever,nice Cabinet makers # 92 Exc $125.00 USA, ex,nice Transitional # 37 JENNY Good + $185.00 Rare Duplex rabbet #78 Good + $75.00 w/lever,good user Smooth Plane #3 Good++ $85.00 type16,O/Box Smooth plane 4 ½ Good+ $70.00 type 18,tote repaired Bullnose # 90 J new in box $42.00 English The Stanley Plane, by Alvin Sellens Excellent $85.00 Book fine, jacket fair Stanley,Jennings Bits set #32 ½ #100 Excellent $125.00 Box fine,bits fine,real clean full label on box, all brass latches OK Bevel # 18 STEEL Good++ $ 25.00 Nice Bevel # 25 Rosewood Good++ $ 23.00 SW mark 10" Bevel # 25 Rosewood Good++ $ 21.00 SW mark 8" Compass plane # 113 Good ++ $ 125.00 type 4 Gauge # 65 Good ++ $ 25.00 SW mark el~minto TOOLS BY OTHERS PEXTO, Brace # 5312 Excellent $ 55.00 12" brace, nice nickle &wood TERMS; SEND CHECK PLUS POSTAGE. WILL SHIP UPON RECIEPT. IF NOT SATISFIED, NOTIFY AT ONCE. RETURN ITEM AND I WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY WHEN TOOL IS RETURNED. Bob O Tool Bob Hall 40 Robin Dr. Hauppauge, N.Y. 11788 516-265-5345 ALWAYS LOOKNG FOR CLEAN STANLEY TOOLS, AND TRANSITIONAL PLANES ALL TYPES ! ++++ End of thread 18914 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18915 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42729 (thread 18915) ---- From: Jerry Serviss Date: 1998-05-05 13:49:00 Subject: Yankee Query, Was a WTB Previously Michael Ehret wrote: > >BTW, can anyone >tell a novice when these started to be made by Stanley. The North Bros >driver is one of two tools that I aquired from my gradfather so it's got a >lot of sentimental value. > Hello Michael: Nothing to sell, I hord all Yankee stuff. :) Stanley bought the North Brothers out in 1946. At that time the tools were labeled "Yankee", North Bros a Division of Stanley. The label changed to Yankee by Stanely in the Mideto late 50s as far as I can tell. Btw, if the finish on the metal is chrome, it is post 1931. Nickel was used prior to 1931 on the tools. Of course , there is all this wierd stuff as well, like the ones that are black, or all brass (?). Hope that helps. -- Jerry Serviss Rolling Meadows, Il You can never own too many tools ! ---- Start of Message 42745 (thread 18915) ---- From: Aaron C Davis Date: 1998-05-05 16:55:00 Subject: Re: Yankee Query, Was a WTB On Tue, 5 May 1998, Jerry Serviss wrote: >Btw, if the finish on the metal is chrome, it is post 1931. Nickel was used >prior to 1931 on the tools. Of course , there is all this wierd stuff as well, >like the ones that are black, or all brass (?). > I found one with a patent date around 1910. Believe it's the nickel plated variety and the collet?? (thing that holds the bits) unscrews to release the bits. It has 'Bell System' stamped in it so picked it up for my FIL who works for Bell Atlantic. ++++ End of thread 18915 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18916 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42730 (thread 18916) ---- From: Darren Addy Date: 1998-05-05 07:59:00 Subject: FS : Tools of Yore Any of the tools below can be seen in living color (and complete descriptions be found) by following the links at: http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=dcaddy@k... NOTE: The auctions will be set up this morning. You may not find everything (or ANYTHING if you are REALLY fast) listed immediately. All auctions except the book will end in 7 days (on next Tuesday). Check back anytime to view the complete list of auctions. Tools of Yore available this month are: Stanley No. 10 Rabbet plane ...nice Stanley No. 65 knuckle cap block plane (low angle blade)...very nice Union double ended block plane ...good shape Stanley No. 7c (Type 19 with rosewood) ...pretty dang nice Stanley No. 3 (Sweetheart...Made in Canada)...needs cleaning Stanley Everlasting 13/16" chisel Stanley Everlasting 3/4" chisel Stanley No. 750 1" socket chisel Stanley Sweetheart 1-1/2" socket chisel Stanley 1" socket chisel Stanley No. 49 depth stop for clamping on brace bits...very nice Misc.............. Book: The Home Workshop Planner (by the publishers of WOOD magazine)...new. Magazines: 30 miscellaneous older copies of Workbench magazine (mostly 70s and 80s. Though the my auctions state money orders only, mention you are a Galoot and your checks are fine. Appreciate your "bid-ness"! Darren C. Addy Tools of Yore Kearney, Nebraska ++++ End of thread 18916 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18917 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42731 (thread 18917) ---- From: Aaron Ionta Date: 1998-05-05 07:59:00 Subject: King Solomons mine Hello GG's check out this! True Story! the young Guy that came over last night and purchased my Tablesaw - came with his grandfather - well we got to talking and it turns out his Grandpa used to repair Antiques, so I ask the obligatory question, -got any old tools-, just like that! works every time. Sooo I show him my Orange Frog Corrugated #3 and he says I got 2 or 3 that are smaller than that in the box! nice and shiny, and he goes on to describe all the hammers, etc etc etc, AND he knows this guy who has a barn FULL of tools who sells them cheap! AND he sold a stack of moulding planes to a friend who has since passed away , and the planes are probally still in his barn/workshop! After all that I felt compelled to just give him the saw in trade, but the Bills have to be paid, so I get his address and email # and he says to come calling some Saturday! OOOoooo la la somebody prick me with a pin and wake me! So if he is interested in parting with some of his treasure - it will be making its way to an FMM near you soon -- ================================================================= Aaron Ionta aaron.ionta@i... Application Support Engineer ajionta@m... (Home) Intranet Solutions Inc. (612)903-2032 (W) (888)688-8324 x2032 (W tollfree) ================================================================= ---- Start of Message 42775 (thread 18917) ---- From: NLutz10449 Date: 1998-05-06 07:47:00 Subject: Re: King Solomons mine Tried to send this directly to aaron but DAEMON bounced it back twice. Hope it's of interest to all: aaron.ionta@i... writes: > Sooo I show him my Orange Frog Corrugated #3 and he says I > got 2 or 3 that are smaller than that in the box! nice and shiny, and he > goes on to describe all the hammers, etc etc etc, AND he knows this guy > who has a barn FULL of tools who sells them cheap! Sometimes fate walks up and pats you on the back. Would you like someone to come along to help carry little boxes? I'd be glad to help! ; ) Hope your Saturday is everything you wish it. Erik von Sneidern Syracuse, NY ++++ End of thread 18917 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18918 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42732 (thread 18918) ---- From: ScottA911 Date: 1998-05-05 10:32:00 Subject: FS: Stanley #93 rabbet plane Stanley #93 cabinet makers rabbet plane with V logo (1910-1918) embossed in the disk on the front. A good user with 75% or better of the nickel plating remaining and a little corrosion (mainly on one side). Original lever cap. Blade has small nick in edge which can be removed when sharpened and no Stanley mark. I also will include a new replacement blade and lever cap for use if you wish to save the original pieces. $110.00 Or e-mail me with a reasonable offer. Oldtool terms apply. Scott Adams 1131 Vanlear Ct. Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 764-3492 work (614) 847-9584 home e-mail address: scotta911@a... ++++ End of thread 18918 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18919 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42733 (thread 18919) ---- From: scott grandstaff Date: 1998-05-05 14:12:00 Subject: MF Eggbeater Marketeers! Since it's so quiet this AM after that roller coaster FMM (is it coming? is it over? will it end?) I thought I'd sneak in here with a plea for help. I just took posession of a drill (MF pat. Sept 20, 1898). It is fancy beyond belief. Nickel plate over solid brass frame, spoked wheel, serpentine crank and frame members. Well, to cut a big gloat short, it is missing the rosewood top handle. Does anyone have a picture of one I could see? Have another cup and get back to me, please. Scott -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Scott Grandstaff, Box 409, 63742 Applegate Dr., Happy Camp, CA 96039 * scottg@s... PageWorks: http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/ ---- Start of Message 42770 (thread 18919) ---- From: Chuck Zitur Date: 1998-05-06 04:25:00 Subject: RE: MF Eggbeater Scott Is it possible that you have a craftsman (NO NOT SEARS) made drill with a Millers Falls chuck on it. I bought one from MOFA that was outfitted that way. And by the way in light of Patrick Leach's recent problems with you know who (TM) I think that it would be appropriate when someone takes my name in vain (such as drill CHUCK) they should have to make it Chuck (TM) After all my parents registered me at birth. Otherwise I will have to get legal services after you. (What? They do not do nuisance lawsuits?)Well, never mind then. To much time on his hands in Montana Chuck Zitur ++++ End of thread 18919 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18920 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42734 (thread 18920) ---- From: Paul Pedersen Date: 1998-05-05 15:53:00 Subject: WTB: Hammers - Metalworking and jewelmaking I know nothing of hammers, and little of metalworking. However, I would like to try my hand at a dovetailed, infill something-or-other and need a hammer to do the riveting of the dovetails and the pins. I am also interested in small hammers of the jewelmaking variety, though I don't even know what these might be. I would like the hammer/s to be old but in good condition, preferably with some maker's mark. I don't mind making a new handle for a nice head, but would prefer the hammer to have an 'original', nicely patinated handle. Thanks for any help, Paul Pedersen Montreal (Quebec) ++++ End of thread 18920 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18921 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42735 (thread 18921) ---- From: Jeff Steele Date: 1998-05-05 15:02:00 Subject: Apologies : spurious posting Sorry folks. In the heat of FMM, I accidently sent out a request to a seller *and* to the entire OldTools list (i.e., you). So here I am just wasting a bit (a few thousand bits actually) more bandwidth to let Moms and others concerned about such things know that I'm sorry, that I'm not totally clueless about Email, and that I'll be real careful from now on. Ruefully, Jeff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just say[TM] : "It's not a waste of bandwidth, it's a Gloat in Advance". ++++ End of thread 18921 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18922 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42738 (thread 18922) ---- From: James J. DuPrie Date: 1998-05-05 16:51:00 Subject: anybody played with Pau Marfin? I've been trying to find something nice and solid to make some planes out of, and a couple of folks have recomended Pau Marfin. Its not too expensive, and from what I've read should be pretty good. Has anyone ever played with it? comments? thoughts? thanks --JD -- ********************************************************* ** James J. Momenee-DuPrie Operations Manager ** ** Phone (978) 684-3722 ADSmart Corp. ** ** Fax (978) 684-3618 100 Brickstone Square ** ** jduprie@a... Andover, MA 01810 ** ********************************************************* ++++ End of thread 18922 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18923 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42739 (thread 18923) ---- From: Steven Johnson (MSR) Date: 1998-05-05 16:47:00 Subject: FS: (again) Good stuff (sorry if this is a duplicate - I didn't see it appear all day yesterday or today): This month I feature many Bedrock planes, interesting levels, and some cool rules on my regular, everyday-including-FMM web site: http://www.tooltimer.com/Tools/tools.htm Everything is satisfaction guaranteed and shipping is included in the continental US. Treadle machines can be found on the Miscellaneous list. Happy hunting! Steve ++++ End of thread 18923 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18924 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42740 (thread 18924) ---- From: James J. DuPrie Date: 1998-05-05 17:37:00 Subject: best user braces OK, so I'm finally looking into getting a couple of decent braces (to replace the plastic stanley I've been getting by with), and I figured I'd poll the porch before I plunk down the bucks... I'm looking for good user-type tools, so I'm not looking for investor-priced stuff (read: I'm a cheap basud). I trolled through the FMM, and it looks like there's a ton of different types of braces. what should one look for? I already know that 3 jaw chucks won't work with square shank bits, but other than that, what ar ethe good (functionaly best) braces, and why? thanks --JD -- ********************************************************* ** James J. Momenee-DuPrie Operations Manager ** ** Phone (978) 684-3722 ADSmart Corp. ** ** Fax (978) 684-3618 100 Brickstone Square ** ** jduprie@a... Andover, MA 01810 ** ********************************************************* ---- Start of Message 42749 (thread 18924) ---- From: James Foster Date: 1998-05-05 19:08:00 Subject: Re: best user braces James J. DuPrie wrote: > > OK, so I'm finally looking into getting a couple of decent braces (to > replace the plastic stanley I've been getting by with), and I figured > I'd poll the porch before I plunk down the bucks... > I'm looking for good user-type tools, so I'm not looking for > investor-priced stuff (read: I'm a cheap basud). I trolled through the > FMM, and it looks like there's a ton of different types of braces. what > should one look for? I already know that 3 jaw chucks won't work with > square shank bits, but other than that, what ar ethe good (functionaly > best) braces, and why? Well, I don't know if it's best overall, but a John Frey brace I have is the best I own. This is over MF and Pexto, anyway. It has a specialized chuck design that's easy to use and grips tight. It was in with the 5 1/2C I bought at auction last year, and made up for the fact that I rather overpaid for the plane alone. ---- Start of Message 42756 (thread 18924) ---- From: Bill Clouser Date: 1998-05-05 20:13:00 Subject: RE: best user braces On Tuesday, May 05, 1998 1:08 PM, James Foster [SMTP:jaf@M...] wrote: James J. DuPrie wrote: OK, so I'm finally looking into getting a couple of decent braces (to replace the plastic stanley I've been getting by with), and I figured I'd poll the porch before I plunk down the bucks... I really like my North Bros Yankee brace. The locking mechanism on the chuck ratcheting direction is easy to use, and the chuck is very well made. I think they only made one model. I'd buy another if I saw one. - Bill ---- Start of Message 42765 (thread 18924) ---- From: Randall Roeder Date: 1998-05-05 19:34:00 Subject: Re: best user braces James, What you are looking for is a brace with a universal chuck. A universal chuck will take square shank, round and no. 1 Morse taper bits. Millers falls made some outstanding braces that generally don't sell for a whole lot of jack. The Millers Falls Parson's brace, with the red permaloid handles, is an outstanding tool. It has a nice chuck with a good jaw assembly and bronze bearings for the head and handle. If it doesn't say 'Parsons' on the frame it will be a cheaper permaloid model. The MF No. 769-773 numbers are wonderful braces with the outstanding Lion chuck. The Lion is a universal chuck which may be the best ever mass-produced for a hand brace. It has a hexagonal opening which keeps the jaws in alignment when adjusting. The jaw assembly is well built, and the ergonomics of chuck make it easy to tighten and loosen. The handles on this series ride on steel rings and the heads on ball bearings. The MF No. 730-733 series was the first in the line to feature a universal chuck. They are wonderful braces. Handles ride on steel rings and the heads on ball bearings. Here in Iowa, I still see braces like this running $35 or so for a Parsons model, and $8 to $20 for the others. Never buy a brace without checking to see if the jaws are functional. Randy Roeder ---- Start of Message 42833 (thread 18924) ---- From: Date: 1998-05-07 16:38:00 Subject: Re: best user braces I would agree about the quality of the Yankee braces, I have 1201 that I like. They seem to go for $30 or so if the seller knows what he has. I also have a Stanley No. 811 that has an enclosed ratchet that seems nicer than some others. Other braces that I like (that I have used) are the Stanley 1246, Pexto 110 and Sampson (also Pexto), and a couple of old Miller Falls without ratchets, one is a #44-6", and a Fray 112, no ratchet and a large wing nut to secure the bit. The Fray is handy for odd size bits or tools (I think the chuck style makes it a Spofford brace)> I find that a ratchet can be a nuisance sometimes, and even though you can set the ratchet so it doesn't ratchet, braces without a ratchet can be cheap enough that they are nice to have, too. (Usually don't pay more than $.50 or $1.00 for them). And thenit is nice to have a 14" or 16" brace for those times you need extra leverage. Jim Erdman ++++ End of thread 18924 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18925 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42742 (thread 18925) ---- From: alan ferrency Date: 1998-05-05 18:09:00 Subject: stone ID Since the FMM traffic seems to have subsided, it's time to ask about a sharpening stone I found this weekend. It was in the $.50 bucket, and it felt a lot less coarse than the average flea market sharpening stone, so I got it. It's about 2" x 3/8" x 8". It looked grungy until I lapped it (220 grit paper on plate glass). The first side looked beautiful! It has a beige, tan, and brown marbled appearance. There was also a sort of "figure" to the stone that looked like miniature "birds eyes" as in birds eye maple. I lapped the other side, and it was solid purple, but still had the same "figure." I lapped an edge and it looked like one stone with blending colors, not 2 stones glued together or something. I dumped some oil based lubricant on it and tried it out. SCREECH! It made a huge scratch in the stone. This is very soft. I've heard waterstones are soft, I probably just ruined it by using oil. Water as a lubricant worked better, but the blade still very easily scratched the surface of the stone. I figured I should learn more about this before I destroy it. So: Does anyone have any clues as to what this might be? It has the right size and shape for a sharpening stone, and seems to sharpen things pretty well, but it's really soft. It's much finer than my "hard arkansas" (from woodworkers whorehouse or something). Does my description ring a bell with someone, or is this likely to be just some kind of junk stone not really intended for sharpening things with? Alan ---- Start of Message 42763 (thread 18925) ---- From: Cougarjack Date: 1998-05-05 19:20:00 Subject: Re: stone ID Alan, What you have there is a Washita Stone, or in other words, a soft arkansas stone. I've heard it pronounced variously witch-a-taw, wash-a-taw, etc. It's made of mined and cut novaculite from hot springs. Use a very light touch with it, and dress it often. They seem to work equally well with water or oil, and are generally followed by a hard arkansas stone for finer polishing. The purple coloration and marbling is very common in the better and older stones, and is the result of mineral oxides and silicates that help form the stone. Think of it as micro-crystalline quartz, or better still, look at a clean spot on it with a pocket microscope, and you'll see what it is used to sharpen tools. Have fun with it, and DON'T drop it! Regards, Nick, who always thought it should be ouchita, NOT washita! ---- Start of Message 42767 (thread 18925) ---- From: Paul Pedersen Date: 1998-05-06 02:00:00 Subject: Re: stone ID Alan Ferrency writes : >I dumped some oil based lubricant on it and tried it out. SCREECH! Had to laugh and laugh. I've experienced this event myself. It's like a slap in the face. I was all set to give my nice (actually very beautiful) pinkish-purple stone a go, I can't remember what I tried to sharpen but I can still see the enourmous scratches the stone put on the bezel (!! got to sneak in some wordsmithing here : it is now my understanding that you can sharpen an edge to achieve an arris, though it's not clear to me if you ever get there. An arris is defined in my book as a :sharp: edge, so you can't sharpen an arris. Nor a bezel, which is just an inclined plane of something, nor a bevel since that's just the angle or the inclination of the bezel. So it seems to me that "edge" wins hands down when one is asking oneself just what exactly one is sharpening). Anyway, I never found out what the stone is for, though I suspect it's for shaving razors. I have what I believe (for fault of finding any other possibility) to be an English Charnley forest stone which is mostly slate-green in colour. However, there are some imperfections, of a redish, purplish colour that are pretty much identical to the purple stone. I read somewhere that you don't want darker regions in a Charnley forest stone, so this led me to believe that the purple stone was cut out of a single larger defect :-) The stone is really bad. It's as if there are very hard particles imbedded in some softer material. I haven't found a use for the stone, so it just sits on the shelf. Mine has a wavy, very faulted (mostly straight sorts of cracks, nothin like birdseye), very deep grain. 3d, no kidding ! Paul Pedersen Montreal (Quebec) ---- Start of Message 42779 (thread 18925) ---- From: alan ferrency Date: 1998-05-06 14:42:00 Subject: Re: stone ID On Tue, 5 May 1998, Cougarjack wrote: > What you have there is a Washita Stone, or in other words, a soft arkansas > stone. Ooh, that sounds interesting. I'm beginning to believe that those stones I got at Woodworker's Warehouse aren't actually Real Live hard and soft arkansas. The "soft" isn't soft at all, and is much rougher than this potentially washita stone. Thanks! I'll take care of this stone, and if I'm ever visited by a galoot with more clue than I have, maybe they can evaluate it more carefully. Alan ++++ End of thread 18925 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18926 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42743 (thread 18926) ---- From: Paul Houtz Date: 1998-05-05 17:55:00 Subject: Oldtools Galore! I finally saw some oldtools in use by someone other than me last night. A tornado touched down 100 feet from my house in Sunnyvale, CA just before 5:00 PM last night. This occasion is so rare in Sunny California that I fully expected to walk out right afterwards and get rained on by boxwood-and-ivory plow planes, sash and cope pairs, and filleted panel raising planes. Anyway, in amongst all the chain saws and helicopters and gawkers was an old fart out there cutting up a piece of someone else's roof that landed in his front yard with a Disston. Looked like a nice old one, probably a cross-cut. A little rusty. I almost went over and asked him what he wanted for it but I thought considering the circumstances it would be in bad tasete. Funny, I didn't see on axe in operation. What have we become? -gph ++++ End of thread 18926 ++++ ++++ Start of thread 18927 ++++ ---- Start of Message 42746 (thread 18927) ---- From: Roger Birkhead Date: 1998-05-05 17:12:00 Subject: Weekend tool hunt woe Just thought I would add in my .02 tool tale of woe. Good tools are few and far between around these parts. Went to several antique stores in the nearest city (not many yard sales when your nearest neighbor is 2 miles as the crow flies). L